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Let The Hi-Def Format War Begin! (Blu-ray Disc vs. HD-DVD)

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Postby mcs_madison » Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:05 am

HD DVD is dead...Long Live Blooo Ray!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080217/med ... ctahZxFb8C
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Postby Slick Willy » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:30 am

Here's one more Yahoo article showing the last nail going into the HD DVD coffin: Toshiba quits HD DVD business

I have to admit that when Microsoft and Universal began backing HD DVD exclusively, I wasn't as sure of Blu-ray's dominance. This time, the higher quality format prevailed unlike the outcome of the Betamax vs VHS foramt war. Blu-ray may only be marginally better than HD DVD due to greater storage capacity on a disc, but that's enough for me. Although Blu-ray started out being more expensive, the price difference between the two formats became smaller and smaller as time went on, which was predictable.

Now the people waiting for the format war to end to avoid buying an obsolete high-def player will be out there buying Blu-ray players to make use of all those 1080P capable TVs they have.
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Postby TAsunder » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:50 am

Storage capacity is great and all, but it's hard to get at those extra few gig of storage when I have to manually skip through all 30 commercials at the beginning of blu-ray.

1080p blu-ray players are cost prohibitive for most people. The only blu-ray even remotely warranted by the price is the PS3.
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Postby Slick Willy » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:47 pm

TAsunder wrote:Storage capacity is great and all, but it's hard to get at those extra few gig of storage when I have to manually skip through all 30 commercials at the beginning of blu-ray.

1080p blu-ray players are cost prohibitive for most people. The only blu-ray even remotely warranted by the price is the PS3.


I was more referring to storage media offered in the Blu-ray format. Obviously there are no commercials on 25 & 50GB recordable discs.

Samsung and Sharp's Blu-ray players both retail for the same as the PS3 ($400). Sony also offers a standalone unit for the same price. With all the people who have been able to afford a 1080P TV, I'm sure plenty of them will spend $400 for a hi-def player, so they can realize their TV's full potential when watching movies.
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Postby Kenneth Burns » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:51 pm

Was HD DVD nothing but a Microsoft head game?
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Postby MadMind » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:16 am

One good thing has come out of this - deals on the now obsolete HDDVD format.

Who knows how long it's going to be before Blu-Ray players drop to an affordable price. HDDVD may be obsolete, but if nothing else snagging yourself a player will get you a back-up DVD player (that just so happens to play HDDVDs), and there are over 300 titles available on HDDVD.

$47 bucks bought me an HDDVD player with 5 free HD-DVDs yesterday (must be purchased by 2/28!).
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Postby Shipley » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:20 am

spill it, Mad Mind, where did you get the $47 player?? was it an xbox add on, or a standalone player?

400 movies are on HD-DVD and in the next 6 months they're all going on clearance and showing up in used shops... and lets face it a movie in 720p or 1080p on HD-DVD isn't going to look any different than one on Blu Ray.
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Postby MadMind » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:27 am

Shipley wrote:spill it, Mad Mind, where did you get the $47 player?? was it an xbox add on, or a standalone player?

400 movies are on HD-DVD and in the next 6 months they're all going on clearance and showing up in used shops... and lets face it a movie in 720p or 1080p on HD-DVD isn't going to look any different than one on Blu Ray.

EB Games. Yeah it's the Xbox 360 add-on. I got it used (because it's all that was available), although I've heard they're supposed to be going for $50 new. Luckily the used drive came with the box w/UPC intact so I can still send out for the 5 free HDDVDs.
Obsolete? Perhaps. A deal? Absolutely!
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Postby Shipley » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:29 am

sounds good, I'll haunt the used/new shops around here.
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Postby tibor » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:36 am

Shipley wrote:lets face it a movie in 720p or 1080p on HD-DVD isn't going to look any different than one on Blu Ray.


Agreed. There's a nifty chart here that shows for our 34-inch box, considering we sit about 15 feet away, 1080p doesn't buy a whole lot more.
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Postby TAsunder » Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:51 am

Slick Willy wrote:
TAsunder wrote:Storage capacity is great and all, but it's hard to get at those extra few gig of storage when I have to manually skip through all 30 commercials at the beginning of blu-ray.

1080p blu-ray players are cost prohibitive for most people. The only blu-ray even remotely warranted by the price is the PS3.


I was more referring to storage media offered in the Blu-ray format. Obviously there are no commercials on 25 & 50GB recordable discs.

Samsung and Sharp's Blu-ray players both retail for the same as the PS3 ($400). Sony also offers a standalone unit for the same price. With all the people who have been able to afford a 1080P TV, I'm sure plenty of them will spend $400 for a hi-def player, so they can realize their TV's full potential when watching movies.


None of those players (except the PS3) are worth half that price, IMO. The PS3 is the only blu-ray player that is a reasonable value. It has quick boot times, and has a wealth of non-blu-ray features. $400 is simply too much to pay for a marginal improvement over the cheaper players, which themselves are too expensive.

1080p vs 1080i is not really as big a deal as people make it out to be. A 1080i blu-ray still transmits the same amount of information, since film is shot at 24fps. It's just that the TV has to spend some effort deinterlacing. Not all TVs do this well.
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Postby Slick Willy » Sun Feb 24, 2008 12:02 am

TAsunder wrote:None of those players (except the PS3) are worth half that price, IMO. The PS3 is the only blu-ray player that is a reasonable value. It has quick boot times, and has a wealth of non-blu-ray features. $400 is simply too much to pay for a marginal improvement over the cheaper players, which themselves are too expensive.


Do you know what the boot times are on those other three players I mentioned or what any of their features are? Have you used any of them? I agree that the PS3 may offer the most bang for your buck, but you seem to be forgetting that DVD players started out at around $1000 just like Blu-ray players and went down in price at the same rate that Blu-ray players have been. Granted, the difference in quality between DVD and VHS is bigger than the difference between DVD and Blue-ray. When you go from a 4.7GB single layer DVD to a 25GB single layer Blu-ray disc, though, that's a pretty big difference in storage capacity.

Newer technologies start out expensive and aren't usually worth the price for the average consumer, but they eventually go down in price, and soon everybody has one. That's the name of the game, and I don't have to tell you that. If you're not ready to buy yet, then join most people for now, but I don't think that means the price of Blu-ray players are way out of whack, relatively speaking.

TAsunder wrote:1080p vs 1080i is not really as big a deal as people make it out to be. A 1080i blu-ray still transmits the same amount of information, since film is shot at 24fps. It's just that the TV has to spend some effort deinterlacing. Not all TVs do this well.


I never said there's a big difference between 1080p and 1080i, and I don't think anyone else here implied that either, so I'm not exactly sure where you're coming from on that one.
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Postby Beer Moon » Tue Feb 26, 2008 10:56 am

Best Buy is going to sell the Xbox 360 add-on player for $50 till they're gone.

Great way to get into HD movies pretty cheap (I've seen movies going for $11 on E-Bay) until Blu-Ray players come down to a reasonable price a few years from now.

I personally am glad I made the decision to go with HD-DVD, because it was worth it if only for a shot at knocking off Royalty-Ray. Plus, it saved me money and I'm watching HD movies NOW, not 3 years from now.

They are both equal technologies from an audio/video capability standpoint, and storage is the only difference. You can't tell the difference between a 15GB HD-DVD and a 25GB Blu-Ray disc except for the price. The Blu-Ray discs cost more. Both technologies (well - it's the same technology - blu-ray lasers) can simply add more layers to their discs to increase capacity, but that will also increase costs so neither did it off the bat even though it was technically possible to do so.

Also, as far as de-interlacing 1080i to 1080p - there is essentially no visible difference in quality and almost all TVs do this very well (it is very simple to do). De-interlacing is not like upscaling, which many TVs do poorly. You have never seen anyone advertise de-interlacing capabilities because it is so easy to do. In my opinion, there is no need for 1080p content. It's just a spec that gives geek warm and fuzzies, because it is the maximum quality possible. No human will ever be able to tell the difference between the two.
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Postby Shipley » Tue Feb 26, 2008 2:24 pm

Deep Discount has a rather massive sampling at clearance prices. $10-$15 with shipping.
http://www.deepdiscount.com/viewcategor ... 00#listtop
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Postby MadMind » Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:49 am

So does anyone have any good recommendations for porn on HD-DVD? :lol:
Has anyone ever viewed adult material on HD-DVD/Blu-Ray? C'mon now, fess up, I know some of you out there have!
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