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Enough with "recall Walker" already

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Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby Bad Gradger » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:35 pm

Emily Mills is giddy about the idea:
Walker hasn't even been sworn in as governor yet and already there's a movement underway to see him recalled from office.... The recall can't official start until Walker officially becomes governor, and then they'll need to collect somewhere around 540,000 signatures to make it happen. No small feat, but it's worth a shot, especially considering the amount of damage Walker has done before even taking office.

I'm as pissed off about Walker becoming Governor as the next guy, but the fact is he won. He ran hard on killing the train and--surprise!--he killed the train. He ran hard on creating jobs by getting government "out of the way" and--surprise!--his first major policy proposal is to replace a whole department with a public-private development entity. He ran hard against state employees and--surprise!--he's gunning for a fight with their unions.

This is the platform 52% of voters supported. How does it warrant recalling him?
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby Donald » Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:52 pm

Walker's attempts at "reform" are unconstitutional violations of our republican form of government and of separation of powers. Recalling this pipsqueak would-be dictator needs to occur as fast as state law allows.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby Stu Levitan » Fri Dec 31, 2010 1:05 am

You think legislation giving the Governor the power to approve the rules his Cabinet agencies promulgate is unconstitutional? I doubt that, but that's what the judiciary is for.

Bad Gradger is absolutely right. Walker is implementing the platform he ran on, which the people endorsed. That's democracy -- elections have consequences. A recall is unwarranted, and would be a huge waste of time, money and effort.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby craptacular » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:13 am

Yeah, the guy who was elected to run the executive branch of state government has the gall to actually try and run the executive branch of state government. The elected officials should always have the authority to affirm or overturn decisions made by appointees or the employees that work for them.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby jjoyce » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:50 am

Remember the recall Doyle movement a few years ago? The one that was hyped at tea parties by that fraud from Waukesha, or whatever Milwaukee suburb he crawled out of?

Horrific. And embarrassing.

Watchdog the hell out of this administration, hold the brow-bagging Saturn driver to every last one of his campaign promises. Count jobs "created" under his watch (he doesn't get credit for that solar panel company that's moving to Dane County), and fight any assault his administration carries out against the groups that didn't pay for his ads (teachers).

But the recall seems pretty lazy and anti-democratic to me as well. Why not do the work instead?
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby Michael Patrick » Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:35 am

Stu Levitan wrote:You think legislation giving the Governor the power to approve the rules his Cabinet agencies promulgate is unconstitutional? I doubt that, but that's what the judiciary is for.

Bad Gradger is absolutely right. Walker is implementing the platform he ran on, which the people endorsed. That's democracy -- elections have consequences. A recall is unwarranted, and would be a huge waste of time, money and effort.


Legislation giving him veto power over rules promulgated by other elected officials (DPI, DOJ) is at minimum ill-considered.

Legislation giving him veto power over rules promulgated by executive branch agencies is just silly, since he would already have that power. I always find it odd when chief executives rail against the very bureaucracy that they control. Methinks he either doesn't understand how it works, or he's hoping other people are too stupid to understand while he takes cheap political shots.

However, I agree that the talk of a recall is just nonsense. He hasn't even been sworn in, fer crying out loud, which means he hasn't done anything that could be worthy of a recall. I'm not a fan of recall over policy differences, that's what elections are for.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby PopeyeTheSailorman » Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:59 am

Our anger at Scott Walker and his republican tea bagging knobs is legitimate. Stop adding further humiliation by belittling us who are angry and what to do something about it.

January 2012 - Let the recall begin! We are already organizing and planning.

You are welcome to join us! But please don't stand in our way and don't insult us for trying to do something about what is happening to our state.

Thank you.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby PopeyeTheSailorman » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:10 pm

Michael Patrick wrote:...He hasn't even been sworn in, fer crying out loud, which means he hasn't done anything that could be worthy of a recall...


Yes, he has done something worthy of a recall.

His actions killed high speed rail. His promise to use the federal funds to fix highways was a lie and a fraud.

He should be recalled for this alone.

Do I think a recall will be successful? Maybe not. But you never know unless you try right? Why should we make things easy for these knobs?

Come January 2012 We gonna be doing some recalling around here.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby Average Joe » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:24 pm

jjoyce wrote: Count jobs "created" under his watch (he doesn't get credit for that solar panel company that's moving to Dane County)


He doesn't get credit for Marinette Marine neither. That was all Herb Kohl, Carl Levin, Steve Kagen and Bart Stupak.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby bmasel » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:38 pm

540,000 signatures in 60 days is an enormous logistical task. Starting at the earliest legal date, Jan. 2012 almost guarantees failure, as the weather's working against you.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby gargantua » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:39 pm

PopeyeTheSailorman wrote:
Michael Patrick wrote:...He hasn't even been sworn in, fer crying out loud, which means he hasn't done anything that could be worthy of a recall...


Do I think a recall will be successful? Maybe not. But you never know unless you try right? Why should we make things easy for these knobs?


A recall will not only not be successful, it will help Walker. How? It will make his opponents look like a bunch of extremists. It will be yet another strawman for talk radio to target....they'll be saying that all liberals are like that.

I take a back seat to no one in my disdain for Walker. But a recall effort now is premature and foolish and I will have no part of it.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby lukpac » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:41 pm

gargantua wrote:But a recall effort now is premature and foolish and I will have no part of it.


But would you sign a petition if somebody came around with one?
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby Average Joe » Fri Dec 31, 2010 12:52 pm

If you are confident Walker's policies will fail, instead of putting energy into a recall that will most certainly fail while simultaneously giving the nattering neo-cons "proof" that the left are cheerleaders for failure, we progressives and moderates should be organizing for the mid-term election to try and take back the State Senate and as many Assembly seats as possible to put a check on the last two years of Walker's term.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby narcoleptish » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:54 pm

How about channeling some of that anger towards the boatloads of people who poured into the polls in 08, but couldn't be bothered to do it again last November. Expend some energy educating them on how those who show up, make the rules.

PopeyeTheSailorman wrote: His promise to use the federal funds to fix highways was a lie and a fraud.


Recall for a broken promise? There wouldn't be a politician left in the country.
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Re: Enough with "recall Walker" already

Postby Bad Gradger » Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:59 pm

narcoleptish wrote:
PopeyeTheSailorman wrote: His promise to use the federal funds to fix highways was a lie and a fraud.
Recall for a broken promise? There wouldn't be a politician left in the country.

Surely the voters have to shoulder the blame for buying it. It's not as if no one was pointing out his idea to use the money for highways was bullshit.

At least they weren't as moronically stupid as the State Journal editorial board, who actually thought Walker was just goofin' and were shocked to find he wasn't.
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