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What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

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What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Harbingers » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:15 am

Can anyone verify if the power plant sale provision was just passed? OR whether EITC reduction counts as raising taxes under the quorum rule of the Wis Constitution? Or whether the two houses passed different legislation?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/03/1 ... s-Included
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Kashka-Kat » Sat Mar 12, 2011 9:28 am

Good question, I've been emailing the editors/reporters of the Madison newspapers asking them that very question and to do their jobs. They need to do more than just regurgitate what comes in over the wire or what they find on the internet. Thank you for posting, maybe someone knows - I'll try to look it up on wisconsin.gov later today ... should be posted???? Kinda busy this a.m.
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Stebben84 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:25 am

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/201 ... ysis_N.htm

What's not in the new law?

Sale of state power plants: A provision that authorizes the Department of Administration to sell state power plants in a no-bid process was taken out of the bill.

Fiscal provisions: Any other provisions that had a fiscal impact were taken out of the bill, including $165 million in debt restructuring.


Here's a nice little gem nobody talked about:

Pension calculation for elected officials and appointees would be the same as for state employees and teachers. Under the state constitution, the change would be effective for elected officials at the beginning of their next term of office.
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:43 am

In the hastily called conference committee, rammed through by Scott Fitzgerald, Representative Barca asked what exactly was in the revised bill. Fitzgerald refused to answer and then gavelled the meeting closed. Soon afterwards, the Senate passed the bill and sent it to the Assembly, where they also rubber stamped it.

Does anyone really know the details of the bill? I'd like to see a link to the actual text.
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby pds » Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:54 am

Before anybody piles on, I'm not for what Walker is doing. It's my understanding that the reason behind the state constitution requiring compensation changes for elected officials to begin at the beginning of their next term of office is do you want the legislature to be able to drive elected officials out of office by changing their compensation? Lawsuits are being filed now to stop the bill. If the case is assigned to a judge that the republicans think would be favorable to the democrats, do you want them to be able to change their compensation to $1 or half what they currently make? So they can drive that judge out of office and appoint judges in their place that are favorable to their positions? That's what is protected. That doesn't mean that elected officials can't be publicly pressured to voluntarily turn back compensation to take the same hit everyone else is taking now. I think there have been legislators who have done that with pay raises in the past.
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Michael Patrick » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:13 am

Here's the official summary of the legislation from the Legislative Fiscal Bureau

The interesting thing to note is that the date of this summary is March 10. The vote was taken March 9. Are you outraged yet?



Note: Here's how to read this document... Each summary is preceded by who is proposing it (Governor, Joint Finance, or Conference Committee). Anything that has "Conference Committee" in front of it is in (or was deleted from) the bill that was signed by Walker.
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Michael Patrick » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:15 am

And for Henry V., here's a link to the text of the bill...

The bill had not yet been drafted at the time of the conference committee vote. Are you outraged yet?
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Michael Patrick » Sat Mar 12, 2011 11:17 am

And here's a link to a YouTube video of the actual committee vote. This is not democracy, this is a farce.

Are you outraged yet?
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Harbingers » Sat Mar 12, 2011 1:54 pm

More hoping to learn if it's true that differing bills were passed by each house (which, if true, should be a bigger slam dunk at voiding the laws than open meetings or defining what requires the higher quorum.)
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:13 pm

Looks like the Koch brothers are counting their chickens before they hatch. Here is an ad from an energy industry employment site looking to hire plant managers "for multiple power plants located in Wisconsin."

Did the Fitzgerald brothers sneak those no bid sales back into the revised budget bill?
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby cxl01 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:34 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Looks like the Koch brothers are counting their chickens before they hatch. Here is an ad from an energy industry employment site looking to hire plant managers "for multiple power plants located in Wisconsin."

Did the Fitzgerald brothers sneak those no bid sales back into the revised budget bill?

Henry, is that a recent version of that same ad that's been out there? I thought they took that power plant sale out of the bill, but nothing would surprise.

The ink was very damp on that bill as they were forcing it through.

I don't know about sneaking things in, but according to the first comment on this story, the Fitzgerald boys and other Republicans had to sneak out of town to attend a lobbyist's fund raiser in DC held in their honor. They care SO MUCH about Wisconsin, don't they?
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby snoqueen » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:09 pm

Apparently some discrepancies are turning up between the bill they thought they were passing, and the one they did pass. Or something. Anyway, keep an eye on this, as there appear to have been shenanigans particularly with regard to the power plant thing not being/being a fiscal item.

One more way this thing may go down in a cloud of dust.
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:10 pm

cxl01 wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:Looks like the Koch brothers are counting their chickens before they hatch. Here is an ad from an energy industry employment site looking to hire plant managers "for multiple power plants located in Wisconsin."

Did the Fitzgerald brothers sneak those no bid sales back into the revised budget bill?

Henry, is that a recent version of that same ad that's been out there? I thought they took that power plant sale out of the bill, but nothing would surprise.

From the ad: Job Posted: 3/12/2011
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby cxl01 » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:13 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
cxl01 wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:Looks like the Koch brothers are counting their chickens before they hatch. Here is an ad from an energy industry employment site looking to hire plant managers "for multiple power plants located in Wisconsin."

Did the Fitzgerald brothers sneak those no bid sales back into the revised budget bill?

Henry, is that a recent version of that same ad that's been out there? I thought they took that power plant sale out of the bill, but nothing would surprise.

From the ad: Job Posted: 3/12/2011

I did see that date. The ad does look like the same ad they posted before, just with a new date. Something is going on here...
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Re: What passed? Power Plants, EITC, other problems

Postby snoqueen » Sat Mar 12, 2011 7:24 pm

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