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Meeces

Postby Uncle_Leaver » Tue May 24, 2011 8:32 am

Alright, dammit. I've got mice. Probably had them for awhile given I have a basement level attached garage, but this morning we spotted one on the main level of the house and as Popeye would say, "I can't stands no more!"

Thing is I have a dog and two kids, so I'm a little reluctant to just go spreading poison all around myself, although I know that's what an exterminator is going to do. And the traps I've set out don't seem to be attracting the little suckers (better mousetrap, my ass).

Who's dealt with an exterminator? Did it do the trick? Any recommendations? How concerned do I need to be about the health and safety of the non-rodent residents of the abode?

And no ... we're not getting a cat. Even if I wanted one, with my luck lately I'd be sure to get the non-mouser of the litter.
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Re: Meeces

Postby Stebben84 » Tue May 24, 2011 8:44 am

I was given some advice from a pest control specialist. First off, catch and release traps are not as humane as you would think. When you release the mouse it will most likely die of starvation because it is out of it's domain, or it will get killed pretty quick by another territorial critter. When setting out traps, put two side by side perpendicular to a couple of walls near where you may have seen them. They tend to scurry along the walls. They go perpendicular because when they are parallel, they can set the trap off and get catapulted. You set two because sometimes their foot is the only part to get caught and as they flail, they'll hit the other trap and blammo.

My sister had a mouse problem in her garage. They were even getting into her car and nesting in boots they had sitting out. She called an exterminator and he did not set out poison, but was able to identify nests and gave her tips on how to seal areas outside the house. One common area they get in is gaps in the siding. You can fill it with insulation or that spray foam stuff.

Or you can start a mouse petting zoo.
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Re: Meeces

Postby rabble » Tue May 24, 2011 8:53 am

One farmer had a method he said worked every time. You make a ten or twelve inch high pan out of a 55 gallon drum, put boards going up each side so the mice can get in and out, and put grain all over the bottom, and leave it that way for about a week.

Then you put about six inches of water in it, and add more grain so the grain floats and completely covers the water. Then you take away the board on the inside.

Then you come back every day and take out the drowned mice, uh, meeses. When you don't find any more meeses, stop.

In some instances, this may not be a viable method for various reasons but it's completely safe for all livestock including chickens.

Getting a cat is sort of a hit and miss tactic. Some of them are good mousers but these days it's more common for them to sit and watch very attentively while the mouse runs around.
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Re: Meeces

Postby Stebben84 » Tue May 24, 2011 9:01 am

rabble wrote:One farmer had a method he said worked every time. You make a ten or twelve inch high pan out of a 55 gallon drum, put boards going up each side so the mice can get in and out, and put grain all over the bottom, and leave it that way for about a week.


I did this last year when I had a horrible chipmunk/ground squirrel problem. It worked great; almost too great. After about a week I had a bucket of bloated chipmunks that I had to bury in the back yard. I set it out again and after a couple days I had another bucket full. I started running out of places to bury them so I stopped. I think I did get the momma critter cause I haven't had a problem since.

And yes, many people said it was cruel, but they were burrowing under my garage and the last thing I wanted was for the foundation to give out because of all the tunneling(I was also told they go pretty quick). My co-worked had his concrete walk up to the house start buckling because of this. I also did not want to use poison cause I've got neighborhood cats roaming around and I didn't want to give them a poison lunch.
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Re: Meeces

Postby c02 » Tue May 24, 2011 9:06 am

We once had a duplex that had an opening in the window where the dryer vent was attached. The owner installed it and it seemed really tight. I had no idea the little monsters could squeeze the way they do. At any rate, I went the humane route at first and tried a 'live' trap. The thing never caught a mouse so it was time to turn from a humanity effort into search and destroy effort and I bought the old school trap(s).

At first I placed the traps along a wall behind a stove with food and un-set. It took a little while but once I had some sign they were eating the food it was time to set them. First, I want to say it's a bit of a nightmarish hell ride setting those freaking things. I can't tell you how many times I nearly lost all function as the thing snapped in my hand on the way down. It's worse than musical chairs.

Peanut butter seemed to work very well. However, I once had a friend who found a mouse in a Heineken bottle in his recycle bin. So, I even tried a small piece of bread with a little beer soaked into it. The beer bread also worked well and mice don't seem particular about the brand. The downside is it's messy and depending on just where the little bugger is getting hammered, it can be apocalypse messy (although not nearly as messy as the one that felt the brunt of my .22 air rifle in the basement).

In the meantime, we stayed on the landlord to fix the window and eventually it was fixed.

I will say we had a rodent issue (outside) at our new home and I decided to give the live trap one more chance. Unfortunately, after a week of sitting out there, nothing. I forgot about the trap all together and left it sit. A few weeks later something smelled foul in the garden and it dawned on me to check the trap. There they were, TWO of them slowly disassembling in the plastic box sitting out in the summer heat. It's not much of a live trap when one forgets to check it. I did get one in the trap and I did take the little guy to an open field in another neighborhood. ;)
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Re: Meeces

Postby barney » Tue May 24, 2011 9:26 am

I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Do not use poison. Aside from the fact that you've got pets and kids, it's an awful way for them to die. They basically bleed to death internally, slowly. Then, they rot where they fall - usually in your walls. Now, it's coming on summer, so it will be plenty ripe, you'd be amazed at the scent one dead mouse can produce. Not to mention the flies.
It also makes them incredibly thirsty, so occasionally, you might find them floating in your toilet, or dead in the sink. Yeah, not my idea of fun.

Get traps and break their little necks. We've had good luck with both the ortho and the d-con brand of snap traps (no poison, just their name on them). They're disposable, which I don't care for, but I think you could probably reuse them if you wanted. I tried the good ol' wood traps and ended up with a mouse leg and a shit ton of blood all over the floor once. Never again. I guess the cheap wood they make them out of isn't enough to hold them down against the force of the spring.

The other one that works really well is the Victor Electric Trap. You put a couple of batteries in it and bait it with some peanut butter. When the mouse goes in, it completes the circuit and gets electrocuted. Quick and easy. It has a little light on it, when it's on, you've got a body. Dump it and put it back to go again. I think they're $15 or so, but we've had a couple of them for years now, so they're worth the money.
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Re: Meeces

Postby Uncle_Leaver » Tue May 24, 2011 9:40 am

This is getting gruesome. I'm going to feel like Mr. McGregor by the time this is all said and done (yeah, I know that was rabbits).

I bought some D-Con traps which are supposed to ice 'em instantly and be a no mess solution:

http://www.d-conproducts.com/traps/nvnt.html

I set 'em with peanut butter, but so far (a couple of weeks now) no luck. Maybe I'm impatient. Or maybe I need like 40 of the fuckers. Seemed convenient for an "inhumane" trap when I got 'em, but it remains to be seen if this whole better mousetrap thing is just a bunch of bunk. God I hate the old bait 'n' snap variety though ... for all kinds of reasons.

But yeah, poison is out, though I appreciate the reinforcement on that point.
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Re: Meeces

Postby jman111 » Tue May 24, 2011 9:42 am

In college, I live in a dilapidated house with a bunch of guys. We noticed almost immediately that we had a substantial mouse problem. The "humane glue traps" were a relatively new concept. One roomie and I had a competition- he used the glue traps, I used the trusty ol' wooden snap traps.
Well, when all was said and done, the snap traps won hands down (we were both well into the double digits within a week or so.

The key was placement- I always used peanut butter, but they worked the best when placed in high traffic areas. Just like they say- along baseboards, behind furniture, etc. It was easy for us, because there were so many of damn things we could watch 'em to see where they'd run.

It does help to double-up the traps too, as mentioned earlier.
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Re: Meeces

Postby Exploding Pinto » Tue May 24, 2011 9:58 am

Good god, Stebben.
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Re: Meeces

Postby markkay » Tue May 24, 2011 11:43 am

One more vote against poison. After I had gotten tired of disposing of dead mice in traps, I put out some poison, left town for a weekend, came home, and the first floor was swarming with flies. Sheesh, that was horrible. A mouse must've given up the ghost somewhere beneath the concrete slab the 1st floor backroom sits on, so, fortunately, after I shut the backroom door, I had no more flies in the rest of the house. But if you think disposing of dead mice in traps is no fun, you really won't enjoy disposing of ribbons of dead flies on that sticky trap stuff. That was no fun at all. My problem was eventually solved after a handyman sealed every crack he could find on the exterior siding. God bless him.
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Re: Meeces

Postby Galoot » Tue May 24, 2011 12:12 pm

Here's another version of the drowning one proposed. I recently read about it but haven't tried it. I think I'll try it in my East classroom next year, since I get mice running all over the place.

Use a bucket with a few inches of water in it, put a stick through an empty tin can, long enough to go across the top of the bucket. Put peanut butter on the side of the can. When the mice run up onto the can, it rolls on the stick and they fall in.
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Re: Meeces

Postby barreg » Tue May 24, 2011 1:30 pm

Uncle_Leaver wrote:This is getting gruesome. I'm going to feel like Mr. McGregor by the time this is all said and done (yeah, I know that was rabbits).

I bought some D-Con traps which are supposed to ice 'em instantly and be a no mess solution:

http://www.d-conproducts.com/traps/nvnt.html

I set 'em with peanut butter, but so far (a couple of weeks now) no luck. Maybe I'm impatient. Or maybe I need like 40 of the fuckers. Seemed convenient for an "inhumane" trap when I got 'em, but it remains to be seen if this whole better mousetrap thing is just a bunch of bunk. God I hate the old bait 'n' snap variety though ... for all kinds of reasons.

But yeah, poison is out, though I appreciate the reinforcement on that point.


The D-Con "Ultra Set" product works very well. I put one along the foundation under my deck in the Fall and I was averaging a mouse a day for about 3 weeks straight.
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Re: Meeces

Postby Uncle_Leaver » Tue May 24, 2011 2:08 pm

Appreciate the advice so far, folks (well, maybe except for the "drowning buckets" which I'll have to be at my wit's end to resort to). Keep it coming, please.

Also, as an aside, I think this is a truly appropriate thread for the "Catch All" category. If only!
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Re: Meeces

Postby bdog » Tue May 24, 2011 5:09 pm

Find the turds. Look in drawers, backs of cabinets, etc.

Put the trap wherever you find the turds.

I've had the best luck with wood traps and peanut butter. Huskies are useless.
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Re: Meeces

Postby Dust Mite Rodeo » Tue May 24, 2011 5:54 pm

I use a Victor one that looks like a big plastic clothespin. Works good, bait with peanut butter. Don't have to touch the corpse (unless you want to).

Don't get a trap that's only good for one use. Those are for nervous Nellies. My traps have dozens of kills each.
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