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no more high speed rail?

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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby ilikebeans » Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:30 pm

In a revelation that will surprise absolutely no one that was paying attention, it's come to light that the anti-rail campaign was entirely political:

According to my insider, the national Republican Party did extensive polling in Wisconsin in advance of the Governor's race showing the best single GOP issue was dissing Madison and the proposed rail connection to Milwaukee.
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Fast forward to July and the vote this week by Joint Finance to spend $30 million in state transportation funds for needed track improvements for the Milwaukee-Chicago Amtrak line -- to replace federal money Walker earlier rejected.

All those claims that the state can't afford the annual operation costs, or that no one would ride it?

All lies peddled solely to win an election.
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:56 am

And the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel (along with quite a few other people) figured he wouldn't actually do it once he got in office.

Which says something about... well, something.
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby Shorty » Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:58 pm

Walker is costing us another $4.6 million. And making more work for lawyers.

http://host.madison.com/ct/news/local/g ... 963f4.html
Talgo sues state over train payment

"Spanish train manufacturer Talgo last week sued Gov. Scott Walker and state Transportation Secretary Mark Gottlieb, claiming the state stiffed the trainmaker to the tune of $4.6 million. The Nov. 2 lawsuit -- which follows a notice of default sent by Talgo to the state in July -- stems from a contract signed by former Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle with Talgo to build two train sets for the state for a planned high-speed rail line between Madison and Milwaukee. But Republican Walker opposed the rail line and turned away $810 million in federal money that would have turned the plan into reality."
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby Rich Schultz » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:06 am

"'Scene From Hell' At Site Of Spanish Train Crash
Speed is suspected as a factor in Wednesday's derailment and crash."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/07/25/205386144/scene-from-hell-at-site-of-spanish-train-crash
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:13 am

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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby penquin » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:23 am

So is Rich saying that the reason he supports not having light-rail trains (transportation in general?) is 'cause it is just too dog-gone dangerous, and that Walker knew he was saving lives when he turned down the Federal money? Or is there some other message trying to be communicated?

It is hard to know what a person is trying to say when they are constantly hiding behind just links without saying much of anything else....reminds me of the folks who just post links of shootings in the "gun thread" as some sort of proof that firearms need to be banned/more-heavier-regulated.
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Jul 25, 2013 8:39 am

penquin wrote:So is Rich saying that the reason he supports not having light-rail trains (transportation in general?) is 'cause it is just too dog-gone dangerous, and that Walker knew he was saving lives when he turned down the Federal money? Or is there some other message trying to be communicated?

It is hard to know what a person is trying to say when they are constantly hiding behind just links without saying much of anything else....reminds me of the folks who just post links of shootings in the "gun thread" as some sort of proof that firearms need to be banned/more-heavier-regulated.


Or folks who post links of guns stopping criminals as some sort of proof that firearms should be worn at all times. But I get your point.
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 25, 2013 9:00 am

A picture is worth a thousand words and sometimes so is a link, but that pie chart says it better than any number of paragraphs:

Anyone who uses safety as a way to disparage rail as compared with cars is way, way off base.

When someone continually posts links with no explanation, the rest of us will arrive at explanations on our own. Those aren't guaranteed to be the same ones the poster drew.
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby HawkHead » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:03 am

Trains don't kill people. People kill people!
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby Michael Patrick » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:31 am

Driving that train, high on cocaine...
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby Zoti Bemba » Thu Jul 25, 2013 11:45 am

From the linked-to NPR story:
According to NPR's Sylvia Poggioli, "the El Pais daily quoted investigators saying that the train was traveling at more than twice the speed limit on a sharp curve" when it derailed. "the train was traveling at 190 kilometers per hour [118 mph] as it entered the section of track, which has a speed limit of 80 kph [50 mph], El Pais newspaper reported, citing a radio conversation between the driver and train control staff."


Since the train detractors repeatedly argued that our proposed high speed rail wasn't really "high speed" because it would only go 80 mph, I think that we are supposed to draw the conclusion that the Madison-Milwaukee line plans were well-thought out and very safe. Certainly safer than driving. More comfortable, too. And cheaper, if you figure in the cost of a wrecked car, incapacitation and medical bills. Should you survive long enough to pay them. Your survivors probably would have preferred you take the safe, not exactly high speed train, had it been built.

Also, make sure trains are operated by qualified, well-trained engineers who are well rested and familiar with the route. Safety is worth a few extra bucks and the time it takes to negotiate acceptable work rules through a union. Not at all like that libertarian free-for-all speed brawl out on our nation's road and highways.
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby lukpac » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:33 pm

Zoti Bemba wrote:Also, make sure trains are operated by qualified, well-trained engineers who are well rested and familiar with the route.


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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby baked goods » Thu Jul 25, 2013 2:54 pm

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Exactly. Hire an ex Metro driver.
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:24 pm

Izzat like hiring an ex cop to run your mine security?
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Re: no more high speed rail?

Postby Detritus » Thu Jul 25, 2013 4:37 pm

snoqueen wrote:Izzat like hiring an ex cop to run your mine security?

He's not just an ex-cop. He's also a real estate professional.
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