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Can we please stop defending corporations now?

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Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby jman111 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:08 pm

So, we keep hearing that taxes are bad for business. Without such exorbitant taxes, businesses could lower costs to consumers and all would be well in the world, right?

Well, maybe not.
At issue is millions of dollars in passenger taxes -- taxes ordinarily collected by the airlines. But since Saturday, the airlines have not collected the taxes because of Congress's inability to pass a bill to fund the Federal Aviation Administration.

The airlines could have passed along the savings to air travelers. But instead, most airlines raised their base ticket prices at amounts equal to, or similar to, the expired tax.


http://www.cnn.com/2011/TRAVEL/07/26/co ... pt=hp_bn12
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby acereraser » Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:23 pm

I never understood why someone would give any benefit of any doubt to a corporation. I mean, only rubes and suckers believe advertising, right? And, we all know there is no such thing as a free lunch? This seems to me to be initial proof of critical thinking.

So, why would anyone think for a second that a corporation would hesitate to do anything at all to pry all the money possible from the public? Tea party enthusiasts, among others, won't believe me, but the corporations are even greedier than the government. That shouldn't be news.
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby rabble » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:24 pm

Sorry. We still have to defend the corporations.

Can't find the link right now but I read an article online about a study that found a consistent fact; if a belief ends up as held firmly by ten percent of the population, that belief ends up in the majority of the population.

It takes a little while but ten percent looks like the tipping point; if you can get ten percent of the country to believe something, you've imprinted it on the entire country.

Which means we're fucking screwed.

I'll go hunt down that article after I get my chores done.

Ah. Here we go.
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby Bwis53 » Wed Jul 27, 2011 6:38 pm

It's just like Gordon Gecko in Money Never Sleeps says: These days greed isn't just good, it's legal!
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jul 27, 2011 7:02 pm

To anyone who would defend corporate political influence, let me iterate the words of Thomas Jefferson, which still holds true today:

"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

Too bad his wish has yet come to fruition.

Teddy Roosevelt expressed similar sentiments a century ago. For that, he was called a socialist by the corporate elite and their political lackies.
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby bleurose » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:27 pm

"lackeys" :)
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby doppel » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:20 pm

Andrew Jackson said it first. "It is a damn poor mind indeed which can't think of at least two ways to spell any word."
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:24 pm

Thanx.
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby pjbogart » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:48 pm

rabble wrote:It takes a little while but ten percent looks like the tipping point; if you can get ten percent of the country to believe something, you've imprinted it on the entire country.


What if two opposing viewpoints are firmly entrenched in 10% of the population? What if 10% of society firmly believes in supply side economics and 10% firmly believes in... um... aw, crap. You win.
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby bleurose » Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:40 am

Doppel, that was great. My banana nearly came out my nose when I read your post, I laughed so hard. Thanx for the day-brightener. And Henry, thanks for not getting mad :D
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Re: Can we please stop defending corporations now?

Postby Galoot » Fri Aug 05, 2011 1:19 pm

During my 20 years working as an engineer, I can think of only one corporation I worked for that was run in a humane and rational fashion. The other six were run by people who seemed to be basically insane.

The one exception was a start-up company near Ithaca NY, started by a Dutch guy who developed the technology at Cornell. When I interviewed, I asked for a salary similar to what I had been making in Silly Con Valley. He chuckled and said that he didn't even make that much. His pay was maybe 5x what the janitor made, maybe even less.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJr9QajdCNc

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pink_on_motivation.html

Both of these links are showing basically the same thing--that corporate America generally has no clue whatsoever about what motivates professionals--autonomy, mastery, and purpose.
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