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Europe Circling the Drain

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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby snoqueen » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:25 am

And since when do cigarette deaths of people over 70 not count? If they said over 90, I'd get the point -- the cigarettes aren't making a lot of difference one way or the other.

But people over 70 normally have good years of living ahead, if they're in good health. If they're already coughing their lungs out or can't climb the porch steps, then no. And the reasonable conclusion then is they've compromised their health by smoking. That's a testable hypothesis.

To cross them off or say they don't matter is discriminatory, and not in any extreme or hyperbolic sense.
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby rrnate » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:28 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Cigarettes are legal, no? How many deaths result from overeating, a sedentary lifestyle, auto accidents, drugs, alcohol? Combinations of all?
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Uh, don't you spend all of your waking time trolling the internet? One would think you could find this info on your own.

At any rate, arguing about cigarettes or abortion or whatever on here is pretty pointless - I think the point was that the Cato Institute is pretty worthless.
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Stella_Guru » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:43 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Looks like the Greek PM is having second thoughts about a referendum.

Subvert democracy and the stock market will go up.
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Huckleby » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:07 am

Ned Flanders wrote: High tax rates choke off the economic growth needed to finance the promises. Economic activity gets driven into the underground economy, where it often escapes taxation.


This is a perfectly ridiculous spin.

Greece does not suffer from a high tax rate. They have no higher rates than other european countries. High taxes haven't driven the economy underground. The problem is that tax avoidance is culturally accepted.

The chief, overwhelming problem in Greece is that effectively taxes are far too low. By your ideology, low taxes (really doesn't matter why they are low) ought to be causing an economc boom in Greece.
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:13 am

rrnate wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:Cigarettes are legal, no? How many deaths result from overeating, a sedentary lifestyle, auto accidents, drugs, alcohol? Combinations of all?
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Uh, don't you spend all of your waking time trolling the internet? One would think you could find this info on your own.

At any rate, arguing about cigarettes or abortion or whatever on here is pretty pointless - I think the point was that the Cato Institute is pretty worthless.


No, that hasn't been proven.

Are you attempting to argue that Europe isn't in deep financial distresss?
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Huckleby » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:14 am

Stella_Guru wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:Looks like the Greek PM is having second thoughts about a referendum.

Subvert democracy and the stock market will go up.


Stella, you are in massive denial over the Greece problem. Democracy or lack thereof has zero to do with the crisis that has developed there. You keep blaming bankers and international insitutions like IMF for problems there, but all european countries are operating in the same environment.

Greece is in a shithole because they have systematically collected too few taxes and spent far too much. That's the fundamental problem, along with low productivity.

That doesn't mean your criticisms of the IMF or financial wheelers and dealers are invalid.

Are you critical that the referendum was canceled? (I am, BTW, I wish they had gone forward with it.) The protesters in Greece were AGAINST the referendum. The Greek public is against the European bailout because of the austerity conditions, yet on the other hand the Greek public strongly supports staying with the euro. Face it, the Greek public is simply against making a miserable choice.
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby rrnate » Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:34 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Are you attempting to argue that Europe isn't in deep financial distresss?


Do you see me attempting to argue that point? No, you don't.

I think an excellent argument could be made for any number of reasons behind EU's current financial trouble, but an excellent argument requires two brains going at it and if there is one thing that IS proven, it's that you're not up to the task.
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:17 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:
rrnate wrote:...the Cato Institute is pretty worthless.


No, that hasn't been proven.


http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cato.html

Have fun!
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:00 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:
Ned Flanders wrote:
rrnate wrote:...the Cato Institute is pretty worthless.


No, that hasn't been proven.


http://world.std.com/~mhuben/cato.html

Have fun!


OK. We get it. You don't like the Cato Institute.

Do you want to discuss Europe's ongoing financial crisis?
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Stella_Guru » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:20 pm

Huckleby wrote:Face it, the Greek public is simply against making a miserable choice.

Whatever choice is made the warp and woof will see a new form of serfdom, maybe more effective than the serfdom of feudal Europe. Empire has always been meat and drink to the master class.
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Fri Nov 04, 2011 1:24 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:OK. We get it. You don't like the Cato Institute.

What I dislike even more is doofuses who cite them as if they are an authority on anything. Just because they call themselves experts doesn't make it so.

Ned Flanders wrote:Do you want to discuss Europe's ongoing financial crisis?

With you? Don't be silly.
Why would I want to do that?
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby ilikebeans » Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:38 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Do you want to discuss Europe's ongoing financial crisis?

Hahaha! Oh man, that's rich. I can't think of a better textbook example of "exercise in futility."

I just wanted to add another useless think tank to the list that gets quoted here all the time *cough*Blaska*cough*:

The Heritage Foundation
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Nov 29, 2011 1:39 pm

Getting uglier by the minute

Pressure builds as eurozone ponders debt solutions

BRUSSELS (AP) — The eurozone's 17 finance ministers converged on EU headquarters Tuesday in a desperate bid to save their currency — and to protect Europe, the United States, Asia and the rest of the global economy from a debt-induced financial tsunami.

The ministers were discussing ideas that only weeks ago would have been taboo: countries ceding fiscal sovereignty to a central authority, an elite group of euro nations that would guarantee one another's loans but require strong fiscal discipline from members.

Changes to existing rules are being touted as one way the eurozone can get out of its debt crisis, which has already forced Greece, Ireland and Portugal into international bailouts and is threatening to engulf bigger economies such as Italy, the eurozone's third-largest.

If Italy were to default on its euro1.9 trillion ($2.5 trillion) debt, the fallout could break up the currency used by 322 million people and send shock waves throughout the global economy.

http://news.yahoo.com/pressure-builds-e ... 45129.html
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Re: Europe Circling the Drain

Postby Stella_Guru » Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:22 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Getting uglier by the minute

Pressure builds as eurozone ponders debt solutions

Invest in private security firms, companies that manufacture water purification systems, trade the Ted Spread and in sovereign debt of 3rd world and old communist countries. Remember, Aspen is the future.
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