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Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

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Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby Bludgeon » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:24 pm

Tony Blankley wrote:At the moment, I have in mind the latest blunder by the experts -- their assessment, just a few months ago, of the nature of the Arab Spring and its democracy movement. Back in spring, the leading experts -- from the Obama administration to the neoconservatives on the right to the major liberal media to most of the academic area specialists -- were all overwhelmingly predicting that all those great secular, liberal, college-educated kids with their iPhones in Tahrir Square represented the new Egypt and would bring all their wonderful values to the revolution. .... Well, the early returns are in. (There are still two more rounds of voting in 18 of the country's 27 provinces over the next month.) But the Islamists look likely to get 65 percent to 70 percent of the eventual vote. According to the High Election Commission, the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood's Freedom and Justice Party got about 36 percent, while the Salafist Nour Party got a stunning 25 percent.

The grand total for all the parties that are considered the liberal-secular bloc -- the makers of the glorious Arab Spring democracy was, wait for it -- 13 percent.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl ... 12301.html

Thirteen percent. Talk to certain Madisonians long enough and they'll go out on the twigs of a limb to try to convince you its like "Leave it to Beaver" over there, ready at a moment's notice to gloss over extreme fundamentalist views, governments whose laws come from religious doctrine, in cultures hostile to women, gays and non-believers; holocaust denial is widespread even as those poised to obliterate Israel are hoping for a repeat.
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:36 pm

Maybe 12 years of war and occupation would have made them choose differently. You don't like the outcome? Neither do I but what I do like is that the people of Egypt are making the decisions. Who would you rather have done so?
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby O.J. » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:46 pm

After someone explained to him that Arab Spring wasn't a brand of soap, what would Herman Cain do?
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby pjbogart » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:49 pm

Bludgeon wrote:Talk to certain Madisonians long enough and they'll go out on the twigs of a limb to try to convince you its like "Leave it to Beaver" over there, ready at a moment's notice to gloss over extreme fundamentalist views, governments whose laws come from religious doctrine, in cultures hostile to women, gays and non-believers; holocaust denial is widespread even as those poised to obliterate Israel are hoping for a repeat.


Certain Madisonians, eh? Got any names? I don't know of a single person who matches your description. I agree that it's unfortunate that Egyptians are voting for religious fundamentalists but I can't say that I'm remotely surprised by it. By the way, aren't you a big supporter of our own religious fundamentalists?
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:51 pm

Will Saudi Arabia ever have an Arab Spring?

A woman was beheaded in Saudi Arabia for practicing witchcraft and sorcery, the kingdom's Interior Ministry said, prompting Amnesty International to call for a halt in executions there.

Amina bint Abdel Halim Nassar was executed Monday for having "committed the practice of witchcraft and sorcery," according to an Interior Ministry statement. Nassar was investigated before her arrest and was "convicted of what she was accused of based on the law," the statement said. Her beheading took place in the Qariyat province of the region of Al-Jawf, the ministry said.
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Saudi Arabia, an absolute monarchy, practices a puritanical version of Islam and is governed by Shariah, or Islamic law. In the deeply conservative kingdom, sorcery, witchcraft and blasphemy are all offenses that can be punishable by death.

Amnesty says Nassar's execution is "the second of its kind in recent months. In September, a Sudanese national was beheaded in the Saudi Arabian city of Medina after being convicted on 'sorcery' charges."
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby Crockett » Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:58 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Will Saudi Arabia ever have an Arab Spring?


Not as long as we subsidize the true cost of oil and gas so Mr & Mrs American consumer can drive their SUV from Mt Horeb to the WestTown Mall.

Oh yeah, and all those unfunded wars to protect the Saudis and their oil don't help change their mind either.

Tax gas at its true cost, reduce consumption, spur domestic innovation and help the Saudi people to rise up for basic human rights.

Until then we indirectly subsidize this oppression.
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby Bludgeon » Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:01 pm

pjbogart wrote:
Bludgeon wrote:Talk to certain Madisonians long enough and they'll go out on the twigs of a limb to try to convince you its like "Leave it to Beaver" over there, ready at a moment's notice to gloss over extreme fundamentalist views, governments whose laws come from religious doctrine, in cultures hostile to women, gays and non-believers; holocaust denial is widespread even as those poised to obliterate Israel are hoping for a repeat.


Certain Madisonians, eh? Got any names? I don't know of a single person who matches your description. I agree that it's unfortunate that Egyptians are voting for religious fundamentalists but I can't say that I'm remotely surprised by it. By the way, aren't you a big supporter of our own religious fundamentalists?


No, I'm not religious. Not that I agree with my fellow "atheists'" attempts to organize non-belief into a neo-religion of its own. The only thing I'm surprised at is that our western notion of the "Arab Spring" got so much news time - what a fantasy. I can think of a certain anti-Israel TDPF god/goddess whom I doubt would need much prompting to sprawl out a few scenarios in which the holocaust "might not have happened", but that's neither here nor there. I support Israel as an ally - I think they're equipped now to survive and prosper on their own; I'm simply in favor of standing by them in the face of any existential threat that should arise; and I'm in favor of general efforts to limit the proliferation of nuclear weapons, especially within unstable states, even now that the cat is largely out of the bag.
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby DCB » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:39 am

Bludgeon wrote: The only thing I'm surprised at is that our western notion of the "Arab Spring" got so much news time - what a fantasy.

Several nations got rid of long-standing dictators through collective protest and popular uprisings. All in the space of less than a year. That's not a fantasy, that's a reality. And historically significant. And, in my opinion, a very positive change.

Were you expecting Egypt and Libya and Yemen and Tunisia to suddenly embrace US style democracy? That is a fantasy. Our own constitution only came about after several years of fighting against an imperial army.
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:49 am

Bludgeon wrote:I can think of a certain anti-Israel TDPF god/goddess whom I doubt would need much prompting to sprawl out a few scenarios in which the holocaust "might not have happened", but that's neither here nor there.

Neither here nor there. Then why did you post it?
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Re: Goodbye Arab Spring: "We Hardly Knew Ya"

Postby Peanutbutter » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:12 am

As long as your criticizing one revolution, why not start your own revolution and sign your name to it, thus opening yourself up to criticism?
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