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Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

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Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:37 pm

Report: Wisconsin has lost out on $1.3 billion in federal money

"State officials maintain that they didn't have the necessary funds to draw down the federal money, but that doesn't make much sense when you consider that the Legislature found some $200 million in tax breaks to hand out to corporations."
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The biggest chunk of federal money turned down by the state was the more than $800 million grant for a high-speed rail system [...] According to data from the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, which the Budget Project used for its report, the Legislature passed on four major federal funding sources: about $480 million for Medical Assistance; $13.2 million for job training for people with disabilities; $8.3 million for enforcing child support orders; and $4.2 million for administering FoodShare and Medical Assistance programs.

So aside from rail, the losers in this refusal of federal funding are the neediest among us.

Thanks a lot, Governor Dumbass. You truly are turning us into Wississippi.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby bdog » Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:45 am

Wisconsin has long ranked among the states with the
very lowest federal spending per capita. For
example, it ranked lower than all but two states in
per capita federal spending in 2008, with an amount
21 percent below the national average. Per person
federal spending in Wisconsin was $1,900 below the
national average.

Additional federal spending authorized by the
Recovery Act has changed federal spending patterns
and Wisconsin rose to 32nd among the states in per
capita federal spending in 2010, 8 percent below the
national average. Even with Wisconsin’s rise in rank,
federal spending here was more than $800 per person
below the national average.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Crockett » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:53 am

bdog wrote:
Wisconsin has long ranked among the states with the very lowest federal spending per capita.


Living responsibly and within your means will get you nowhere in this country.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby gargantua » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:44 am

Crockett wrote:
bdog wrote:
Wisconsin has long ranked among the states with the very lowest federal spending per capita.


Living responsibly and within your means will get you nowhere in this country.


What in the world does that have to do with Wisconsin?
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Earthling » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:50 am

The rail would have ended up costing the state alot more than the $800 million we would have recieved from the feds.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Crockett » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:52 am

gargantua wrote:What in the world does that have to do with Wisconsin?


If your schools are good, people pay their taxes and mortgages, go to work, don't take out too much debt, live responsibly, etc. you get less per capita federal funding. You don't need it.

Send it to Mississippi instead.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby fisticuffs » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:53 am

The rail would have ended up costing the state alot more than the $800 million we would have recieved from the feds.


Link?

Also. "A lot" and "received"
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby eriedasch » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:53 am

Earthling wrote:The rail would have ended up costing the state alot more than the $800 million we would have recieved from the feds.

According to you? Based on what?
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Earthling » Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:59 am

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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby fisticuffs » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:03 pm

Your link is about a Denver rail project approved by voters in 2004. Anything related to WI?
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Earthling » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:05 pm

How could there be? It never happened. What happened in Denver should serve as a pretty good example of why not to do it though. I remember reading something about $7.5 million a year in operating costs, which some speculated was a low ball figure.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby fisticuffs » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:14 pm

How could there be? It never happened.


I don't know. You were the one making the statement.
The rail would have ended up costing the state alot more than the $800 million


See?
I remember reading something about $7.5 million a year in operating costs, which some speculated was a low ball figure.


Even if it is low ball and the real cost was more like $10 Million/year it would take 80 years for that to equal $800 million and a lot more to cost the state "alot more" than that. That also ignores the jobs building the rail would have created. The economic activity from those jobs AND increased economic activity because of the rail. So please Earthling tell us how getting $800 of our own money back from the feds would have been a bad thing?
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Earthling » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:35 pm

Would it have really brought in enough new jobs and economic development to justify a $10 million dollar a year debt? Who would even ride this train? Many democrats claim that Walker was elected in part because we was against the train. Put it to a statewide referendum if you like. It will never pass.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Crockett » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:43 pm

fisticuffs wrote:Your link is about a Denver rail project approved by voters in 2004. Anything related to WI?


Between this and the recent John Stewart 'expose'' on California proposition has me rethinking the whole democratic referendum idea.

People want shit but don't want to pay for it. Its a politicians job to give the people what they need, not all of what they want.

Or at least lay out the tax consequences of these things. Which the GOP has made political suicide.
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Re: Federal funds lost by Wisconsin: $1.3 billion

Postby Earthling » Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:50 pm

Crockett wrote:
fisticuffs wrote:Your link is about a Denver rail project approved by voters in 2004. Anything related to WI?


Between this and the recent John Stewart 'expose'' on California proposition has me rethinking the whole democratic referendum idea.

People want shit but don't want to pay for it. Its a politicians job to give the people what they need, not all of what they want.

Or at least lay out the tax consequences of these things. Which the GOP has made political suicide.


Oh ok, so now your pretending to know what "people" want huh? It's a politicians' job to represent the people that elected him or her. There is no way that the citizens of the state of Wisconsin NEED a high speed trail train.
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