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What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby snoqueen » Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:53 pm

Frank Paul Zeidler was an American Socialist politician and Mayor of Milwaukee, Wisconsin, serving from April 20, 1948 to April 18, 1960. Milwaukee's "sewer socialists" were known for, among other things, fixing the infrastructure (including the sewers, so sewer socialists was a compliment).

The Milwaukee Arbeiter Zeitung (newspaper, Workers' News in English) was published from 1886-1889. It was one of dozens of German-language papers published in Milwaukee during the era of greatest German immigration.

Socialism does not necessarily refer to the Nazis and German does not necessarily refer to the Nazis either. Over one third of Wisconsin residents claim some German ancestry, and it is insulting to reflexively pull up "Nazi" when someone mentions our German influences.

It might pay for those who want to live in Wisconsin to learn a little about the state's history, which is remarkably multi-dimensional and goes beyond Joe McCarthy vs Russ Feingold.

Meade, you really need to develop a little more intellectual depth if you intend to rehabilitate your reputation around here. You could start by reading and discussing the article in the link instead of free-associating on individual words.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Detritus » Thu Feb 02, 2012 6:40 pm

Meade wrote:
Detritus wrote:Ironically, the Journal really was a Socialist newspaper, back when it published in German under the name Deutsche Arbeiter Zeitung....


Really? When was "back when"? Was that before the National Socialists in Germany gave socialism a bad name or after the Soviet Socialists in the Soviet Union gave socialism a bad name?

I'm sorry--did you have a point there? Or are you back to gum-bumping?
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Marvell » Thu Feb 02, 2012 8:23 pm

Meade wrote: Was that before the National Socialists in Germany gave socialism a bad name[...]?


Well, I guess we can add 20th century European political history to the ever expanding list of topics on which your utter ignorance of the subject is no deterrent to your holding forth pompously upon it.

The Nazis sent trade unionists and actual socialist socialists to the death camps. But, if you weren't a total ass-clown, you'd know that already.

Seriously - you're just pathetic.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby DCB » Tue Feb 07, 2012 6:17 pm

Forget all the other insanity this year and simply focus on this: Republicans are poised to take a stand this year against contraception, Medicare, and middle class tax cuts. If that doesn't seem bizarre to you, step back, and focus your lens out to the past 40 years of American politics. Try to picture those stances being taken openly by a majority of Republicans during, say, the first Bush Administration in 1989. It's hard to fathom. That Republican Party was alive and well only 20 years ago
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby pjbogart » Tue Feb 07, 2012 9:28 pm

DCB wrote:
Forget all the other insanity this year and simply focus on this: Republicans are poised to take a stand this year against contraception, Medicare, and middle class tax cuts. If that doesn't seem bizarre to you, step back, and focus your lens out to the past 40 years of American politics. Try to picture those stances being taken openly by a majority of Republicans during, say, the first Bush Administration in 1989. It's hard to fathom. That Republican Party was alive and well only 20 years ago
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http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/ ... ional.html


Hardly a slam dunk. Republicans can easily frame that as a fight against abortion, entitlements and tax increases for hard working Americans. And before you point out that it's all simply semantics, I should point out that it's all simply semantics.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby minicat » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:54 am

shouldn't the question be "What's not wrong with the Republican party?"

Is it too late to run Gertrude Stein for pres?
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby fennel » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:08 pm

minicat wrote:shouldn't the question be "What's not wrong with the Republican party?"

Is it too late to run Gertrude Stein for pres?

Ok, this sounds too interesting to let pass. Can you give some context re Gertrude? Am I just having a lapse at the synapse?
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby pjbogart » Wed Feb 08, 2012 11:08 pm

Well, the entire premise of this thread is officially flawed. There's nothing wrong with the GOP at all. They're acting precisely how you'd expect them to act.

The first order of business is attacking Obama's anti-christian Obamacare which will force hospitals to provide reproductive care including contraceptives and, wait for it... ABORTION PILLS!!! We all know that this is all simply a ruse. Before long they'll be requiring Catholic Hospital insurance plans to include coverage for elective abortions. In fact, it's working already. My Dean/St. Mary's health insurance already covers abortions! Oh, the humanity!

The next order of business will be coming up with $160 billion to offset the cost of the social security payroll tax cut that benefits virtually every American. Shall we reduce the massive subsidies to oil companies? Shave a few sweetheart tax cuts for specific industries? How about look at our bloated military budget and see if we can find a few dollars there?

Nah... lets take away dependent tax deductions for undocumented workers. So if you're in this country and don't have a social security number, even if your children are citizens we won't let you claim them as dependents when you pay your taxes. Yeah! Stick it to the Mexicans right about the time they're deciding which party they should support in the next election!

Brilliant play, Boehner. Absolutely brilliant.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby DCB » Thu Feb 09, 2012 9:37 am

pjbogart wrote:Hardly a slam dunk. Republicans can easily frame that as a fight against abortion, entitlements and tax increases for hard working Americans.

I pretty much agree. They've polluted the public discourse to the point where contraception is somehow a 'controversial' issue.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:16 pm

Meade wrote:Its legacy still pervades the Dem Party today and is a big reason many modern black Americans have left it.

The recent South Carolina GOP presidential primary. 'Nuf said.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Stebben84 » Sat Feb 11, 2012 7:27 pm

He's not a politician, but people seem to love his shit. Here is a classic from Andrew Breitbart. I doubt he'll realize he is acting more like an animal then they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4od4QQV ... r_embedded
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Feb 21, 2012 10:58 am

Not that the regulars here need any more reminders of how batshit the GOP has gone, but I can't resist sharing these quotes from Indiana State Rep. Bob Morris:

"Many parents are abandoning the Girl Scouts because they promote homosexual lifestyles," Morris' letter reads. "In fact, the Girl Scouts education seminar girls are directed to study the example of role models. Of the 50 role models listed, only three have a briefly-mentioned religious background -- all the rest are feminists, lesbians, or Communists."

He also wrote that the fact that first lady Michelle Obama is honorary president should give lawmakers pause and that "abundant evidence proves that the agenda of Planned Parenthood includes sexualizing young girls through the Girl Scouts, which is quickly becoming a tactical arm of Planned Parenthood."

How the hell did we get to a place where dolts like this regularly hold elected office? Yeah, rhetorical question, but still-- when my foreign friends read stories like this (and there have been LOTS of them lately), they come back to me with questions like, "How exactly are you still a world power?"
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:44 pm

And since they are an arm of the Republican party...

Evangelist Franklin Graham called President Barack Obama's religious views into question on Tuesday, stating that he does not know for sure if Obama is a Christian.


Oh, and it gets better...

But Graham was more willing to label Newt Gingrich's faith. "Newt's been married several times... but he could make a good candidate," Graham said. "I think Newt is a Christian. At least he told me he is."


See, Newt told me so I know he's all cool. And just another dash of nuttery...

Later in the segment, Graham also said he could not be sure that Obama was not a Muslim.


These dipshits are taken very seriously by the even stupider people who listen to them. Even worse is that they are put on news programs. How the fuck do conservatives defend this shit.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby pjbogart » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:13 pm

Stebben84 wrote:These dipshits are taken very seriously by the even stupider people who listen to them. Even worse is that they are put on news programs. How the fuck do conservatives defend this shit.


They don't, and why should they? You ever see Ned jump to the defense of anyone? Have you ever even seen him support a candidate? If your offense is good enough, you don't really need a defense. Just ask the Green Bay Packers.
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Re: What's wrong with the GOP, anyway?

Postby acereraser » Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:35 pm

Quick, cuz I gotta run:

Santorum slanders the Netherlands regarding state sanctioned elimination of the elderly.

Fact-free politics, I'm glad it is so readily apparent to those from other lands.
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