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Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, 'kay?

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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:39 pm

rrnate wrote:I like that Mister Blues is signed up on this petition.


Yes the irony. The guy can't use his real name in real life but will sign a petition for others to use theirs on the interwebs. Priceless.
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby Ducatista » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:42 pm

Brenda Konkel wrote:Wow Jason, you are just an awful human being.

Er... that's the kinder, gentler discourse you desire?
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby Brenda Konkel » Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:52 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
rrnate wrote:I like that Mister Blues is signed up on this petition.

That's not his real name.


Yeah, there's some flaws in my idea. But there has to be a better way to do this. My facebook page serves as a decent forum. People are well behaved for the most part. They stay on topic. Don't name call. Are witty and funny and sassy. But not mean. I don't know many of my facebook friends, I've only defriended 3 of over 2100, and 2 I allowed back. (One I know well, too well, and he's a cop and just seemed to be there to provoke, so he wasn't allowed back)

And by the way, I know I am fighting a lost cause with Jason, he believe the forum is just fine the way it is.
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:07 pm

Brenda Konkel wrote:... Jason, he believe the forum is just fine the way it is.

He's not the lone ranger.
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby jjoyce » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:14 pm

Brenda Konkel wrote:And by the way, I know I am fighting a lost cause with Jason, he believe the forum is just fine the way it is.


Continually, deliberately misstating someone's opinion is rarely the mark of someone looking for "a better way."

I think that if you seek to be a journalist, then you have a few ways of approaching a topic like this. You could do what Brenda does, which is to post a hurried and ill-informed snapshot of the policies (as you see them) for a few media organizations (lumping them all in together) in this town and follow it up with some kind of pseudo-petition.

Or, you could do some reporting, which is admittedly time consuming but most often leads to something closer to the truth (a real goal for most journalists). You could call up some people who run message boards and moderate comments and try to learn what the challenges are, why they do business the way they do. Ask tough questions, challenge them to explain inconsistencies and address the fallout of their actions and inactions. Apply some analysis and go a step further to offer a solution, if you'd like.

You could even bring the subjects back to the table for a discussion (the internet makes this pretty easy).

Or you could just hypocritically slam away. Same as it ever was. You're a hammer and every problem is a nail.

Personally, I'm pretty intrigued by the revelations from Brenda above that she's just as interested in discharging personal attacks and playing the kinds of moral equivalency games as those she seeks to silence. I was just trying to get her to admit that she spoke too soon, that she didn't get it right and was unfair to people who spend a lot more time and energy on these issues than she does.
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby Brenda Konkel » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:33 pm

jjoyce wrote:
Brenda Konkel wrote:And by the way, I know I am fighting a lost cause with Jason, he believe the forum is just fine the way it is.


Continually, deliberately misstating someone's opinion is rarely the mark of someone looking for "a better way."


That's the only conclusion I could come to since you refused to engage in a dialog about the topic - instead of continuing to split hairs and skip the substance.

jjoyce wrote:I think that if you seek to be a journalist,

I actually am not seeking to be a journalist and I'm not a reporter. I often have to report the news first so people are educated before I can tell them my opinion. My blog is as much opinion as information sharing.

jjoyce wrote:You could call up some people who run message boards and moderate comments

Seems as tho you are just miffed that I didn't consider you an expert on this issue.

jjoyce wrote:Personally, I'm pretty intrigued by the revelations from Brenda above that she's just as interested in discharging personal attacks and playing the kinds of moral equivalency games as those she seeks to silence. I was just trying to get her to admit that she spoke too soon, that she didn't get it right and was unfair to people who spend a lot more time and energy on these issues than she does.


Whatever. Until you admit that some of the shit that goes on here is unacceptable, that attacking public figures isn't good for public participation and dialog and until you stop attacking people yourself - I stand by what I said. I didn't speak too soon, I got it right. I wasn't unfair to you (except maybe I slighted you by not considering you the expert). The people who signed the petition aren't idiots. They knew what I meant and they agreed with me. Lots of people have thanked me for posting that. People are fed up with the crap. The attacks on people who speak up, both on this website and madison.com hurt the public discourse, plain and simple. You''re just in deep denial.
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Postby jjoyce » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:35 pm

I hear from people too, Brenda. People who are sick of your crap.
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Postby GOD » Tue Feb 28, 2012 3:57 pm

MY NAME HAS BEEN TAKEN IN VAIN ON THIS FORUM NUMEROUS TIMES, BUT I DO NOT BEGRUDGE JASON, AS IT HAPPENS ALL OVER THE INTERNET.

WHY DO I ALLOW THE INTERNET TO STIL EXIST? EMBRACE THE MYSTERY CHILDREN...EMBRACE THE MYSTERY. (ALSO, I VERY MUCH ENJOY "BETWEEN TWO FERNS".)
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby narcoleptish » Tue Feb 28, 2012 4:39 pm

Real names? email addresses? And who is checking these things out? So I become Marco Leptish with my gmail account created under the same name. Done.

I'm not in the phonebook....I only have a cell phone. I'm not on the assessors site.....I rent. Who is going to go to lengths to check everyone out?


Welcome to the internet, isn't it wonderful? Baby alligators are wonderful too. Can't flush the internet down the toilet when it starts to bite you. The analogies could just flow out of me here, like bad seafood. You're trying to fix the dome light on a totaled car. Shine the doorknob on a burned out house.

I think the comments sections after news stories, youtube videos, etc... are just about the biggest waste of electronic space out there. Reading the Craigslist rants/raves will make you lose faith in humanity, not to mention the future of spelling & punctuation. 20 gazillion kink-specific porn sites. Ann Althouse.

The Forum here is so much tamer than the internet at large.......I don't know what else to say. Flame on?
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:36 pm

This is simple. If you're a public figure, some people won't like you and what you say. Some will be mean about it. This is has been happening since time began; it's just easier since the internet came along.

You have two options:
- Slink away and stop voicing your opinions; or,
- Grow a thicker skin, like everyone else in the public eye. Stop reading the various forums not under your control if they upset you that much.

I suppose there's also the third option for legally libelous statements: Get a court order to track down the offender and sue them. Good luck with that.
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby Meade » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:39 pm

Moderating an online forum is no easy task and TDPF is clearly dying because of poor moderation. The problem is not that people post under fictitious names and the problem cannot be solved by requiring use of real names only.

If Isthmus really wanted discussions at the Forum to improve, whoever is at the top would replace Jason Joyce - a talented writer but a poor moderator - with someone competent. I doubt they really care and so TDPF will continue to decline. (A perfect example is the way a very talented blogger, David Blaska, was driven out by Joyce and others at Isthmus.)

There may be a community need that could be filled by the right person able to seize the opportunity but success would require a true moderator and not just someone else using the position of moderator to meet his own personal needs.
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby Walter » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:44 pm

Brenda Konkel wrote: I don't know many of my facebook friends, I've only defriended 3 of over 2100, and 2 I allowed back. (One I know well, too well, and he's a cop and just seemed to be there to provoke, so he wasn't allowed back)


That's not me.

My real name is Surly C. Rude. There, I'm out of the closet. Happy?
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby bdog » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:54 pm

Oh my, where to begin?

GOD - funny stuff, keep it up!

Brenda, you've been around the internet long enough, you should know there is a difference between comments and forum discussion.

Meade - this forum is clearly not dying. Way way too left for my taste but it is Isthmus after all.

Jason, I give you as much shit as anyway here but you are doing a good job. Don't let the bastards get you down.
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby Brenda Konkel » Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:55 pm

So, I've had a blog since November 2005 - I don't have any of the nasty crap that is on all the other sites, what is the difference? (Tho it did take me a while before I turned the comments on)

I have 2000+ "friends" on facebook - and I don't get nasty comments.

I have 700+ followers on twitter - and I don't get nasty comments.

What's the difference? And why can't the forum and madison.com achieve the same level of civility?

And why can't the forum moderator say, just once, that maybe the things said here can get out of hand? That some of it is inappropriate? Clearly, he cited a very good example with his link. But, swastika on Zach Brandon's head -that's unacceptable. Turning me over to the Taliban so that they can give me the Burqua treatment and make me invisible -meh, ok?

After all this back and forth, not one comment about if that is acceptable - and what those kind of comments do to the public dialog and civic participation? So forgive me for my rude comment to Jason - but if he can't say that's unacceptable, something is wrong.

A see a few comment up, people are still making this about me - I probably have the thickest skin in the city. It's not about me, its about getting others involved so I'm not the go to person who speaks up on issues cuz I can take it. Try recruiting someone to run for public office or getting them to agree to be the person who has a quote in the paper. If you're going to be ethical about it, you have to warn them - and many back out as a result. Why would they put themselves through that? We are losing good people, who would be good public servants and involved in the community because of this.

And finally, you're right Walter, its not you. :)
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Re: Brenda Konkel would like y'all to use your real names, '

Postby bdog » Tue Feb 28, 2012 6:00 pm

Jason - Forum re-boot!

Kill us all and let God sort it out!
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