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Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Meade » Thu May 31, 2012 12:09 pm

Shall we?
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Marvell » Thu May 31, 2012 12:18 pm

Why the fuck would I want to talk about union rights with someone who thinks the Nazis were socialists?

If I wanted to humor the addlepated I'd volunteer at the Mendota Mental Health Institute.
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Ned Flanders » Thu May 31, 2012 12:24 pm

When I asked Hank where his union "rights" came from, he cited some UN nonsense.

Good luck with that.
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu May 31, 2012 12:30 pm

Wisconsin was the first state to recognize union rights for public employees, fifty years ago.

"Only a fool would try to deprive working men and working women of their right to join the union of their choice."
Dwight D. Eisenhower
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Meade » Thu May 31, 2012 12:46 pm

Marvell wrote:Why the fuck would I want to talk about union rights with someone who thinks the Nazis were socialists?

If I wanted to humor the addlepated I'd volunteer at the Mendota Mental Health Institute.

Well they weren't the Nanas, the National Nationalists, were they? Let me consult my World Book encyclopedia. Yep - Nationalsozialismus. That is Deutsch for National Socialism.

Henry Vilas wrote:Wisconsin was the first state to recognize union rights for public employees, fifty years ago.


Okay. So the right to join a union. That is a right granted by the state. But that isn't a union right, is it? That's a right that all individuals have, right? It isn't a right that's held by, say, Madison Teachers, Incorporated. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Marvell » Thu May 31, 2012 12:51 pm

Meade wrote:
Marvell wrote:Why the fuck would I want to talk about union rights with someone who thinks the Nazis were socialists?

If I wanted to humor the addlepated I'd volunteer at the Mendota Mental Health Institute.

Well they weren't the Nanas, the National Nationalists, were they? Let me consult my World Book encyclopedia. Yep - Nationalsozialismus. That is Deutsch for National Socialism.


Oh, hey - Meade's doubling-down on his clownish ignorance!

Who could have predicted that?

After two seconds on Wikipedia:

The party was founded out of the current of the far-right racist völkisch German nationalist movement and the violent anti-communist Freikorps paramilitary culture that fought against the uprisings of communist revolutionaries in post-World War I Germany. The party was created by Anton Drexler as a means to draw workers away from communism and into völkisch nationalism. Initially, Nazi political strategy focused on anti-big business, anti-bourgeois, and anti-capitalist rhetoric, although such aspects were later downplayed in order to gain the support of industrial entities, and in the 1930's the party's focus shifted to anti-Semitic and anti-Marxist themes[...]

Moreover, then possessing virtually absolute power, the Nazis established totalitarian control; they abolished labour [sic] unions and political parties, and imprisoned their political opponents, first at wilde Lager, improvised camps, then in concentration camps.


To sum up:

You're a pompous moron. Repeat as needed.
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu May 31, 2012 12:56 pm

Meade, do you also believe that the old commie dictorships that referred to themselves as "people's republics" were really so?

Jon Stewart On Wisconsin Protests: "Taking away a union's right to collective bargaining makes them just a bunch of people wearing identical t-shirts."
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby pjbogart » Thu May 31, 2012 1:09 pm

I heard that FoxNews is made up entirely of foxes.
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Meade » Thu May 31, 2012 1:27 pm

Okay, my liberal democratic progressive friends, I will admit: a name or label is sometimes nothing than a name or label.

Now, back to union rights:

1. The right of the individual to join a union

Any others?
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Marvell » Thu May 31, 2012 1:50 pm

How about the right of an individual to join a Chamber of Commerce?

After all, if labor can not organize collectively to advance their economic interests, why should capital? What's the difference? Why is one the greatest existential threat to our collective well-being since...tapeworm or something...and the other isn't?

Besides naked ideology, of course.

Or did I just answer my own question?
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu May 31, 2012 1:57 pm

Meade wrote:Well they weren't the Nanas, the National Nationalists, were they? Let me consult my World Book encyclopedia. Yep - Nationalsozialismus. That is Deutsch for National Socialism.


"Social democracy and socialism seemed two identical concepts, it required unprecedented betrayal of the peoples from which I hope humanity will rid this earth with the greatest dispatch" -- Adolph Hitler, pg 39, Mein Kampf

"In this period my eyes were opened to two menaces of which I had previously scarcely known the names, and whose terrible importance for the existence of the German people I certainly did not understand: Socialism and Jewry." Hitler, chapt.2, Mein Kampf
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby jonnygothispen » Thu May 31, 2012 2:01 pm

Here's perhaps a better question: If corporations have a right to capitalize their labor, then why shouldn't labor have the same right to capitalize it's services?
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Thu May 31, 2012 2:07 pm

Marvell wrote:How about the right of an individual to join a Chamber of Commerce?

After all, if labor can not organize collectively to advance their economic interests, why should capital? What's the difference? Why is one the greatest existential threat to our collective well-being since...tapeworm or something...and the other isn't?

Besides naked ideology, of course.

Or did I just answer my own question?


The chamber of commerce doesn't negotiate with government to set contracts for it's members. Among other things it lobbies leaders to create a more positive environment for businesses and donates to politicians that it feels will work towards that same goal. Public worker unions have that same right. Nothing in Act 10 stops a labor union from lobbying for better worker conditions or donating to friendly candidates, nor does it stop workers from joining a union and sending dues to said union.

Of course since joining a Chamber of Commerce is completely voluntary, I'm sure there are plenty of Republicans who would love to make unions be just like a chamber of commerce.
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby TheBookPolice » Thu May 31, 2012 3:39 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:Of course since joining a Chamber of Commerce is completely voluntary

So is joining a union.
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Re: Let's Talk About Union Rights

Postby Stebben84 » Thu May 31, 2012 3:54 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote: Nothing in Act 10 stops a labor union from lobbying for better worker conditions or donating to friendly candidates, nor does it stop workers from joining a union and sending dues to said union.


If you don't think act 10 is just a stepping stone to abolishing unions then you're living with your head in the sand. Conservatives will do all they can to eliminate ALL collective bargaining rights will do what they can to eliminate ALL unions public and private.

Pick up a paper. Conservatives generally hate unions.
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