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Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Galoot » Tue Jun 26, 2012 10:46 am

Thanks, Henry, but I think most of us won't want to register at madison.com, so we won't be able to read that. I hit my "five views in thirty days" limit, so I stopped reading their stories.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:05 am

Same with me. That's why I just cited the url for the story.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Cornbread » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:51 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:You mean you didn't understand that 'Cornhole" was a term of endearment?


Like san francisco, only in the san francisco of the midwest---Democrat Party ran madison wisconsin.

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But how about answering my question --

I did.

(And I still don't understand your basic world-view

I don't expect you to. You're just a democrat in madison, a democrat party stronghold. No biggie, really, it isn't.

if leftists dominate the Democratic Party, why isn't Bernie Sanders a Democrat?

Already answered that. You have chosen to not accept it.
But then again, you are just a madison democrat, so I don't expect more.

And why is the Green Party still active?

Funding? And the socialist New Party's manchild, obama now took his chicago democrat machine to DC, effectively turning the rape of IL people into a national one?

Were these trick questions or are you just "working" your cushy govt job, killing time until you get your cadillac retirement for life?
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Cornbread » Tue Jun 26, 2012 8:54 pm

snoqueen wrote:Obama is a Democrat, but he is not a leftist.

I am a leftist, so I should know.


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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Stu Levitan » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:39 am

Having already established that he doesn't know what socialism is, Cornie now equates a failed communist revolutionary with a Nazi dictator. OK!

10 posts a day. Every one a gem.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby pjbogart » Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:21 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:Having already established that he doesn't know what socialism is, Cornie now equates a failed communist revolutionary with a Nazi dictator. OK!

10 posts a day. Every one a gem.


Stu, try to keep up. Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers' Party. It says "socialist" in the name, therefore Adolf Hitler was a socialist. History, along with any other subject you might find at an institution of learning, is hard to understand and occasionally requires things like reading and thinking. To streamline this process and skip the cumbersome reading and thinking requirements, conservatives are trained to draw connections and conclusions whenever certain words are uttered, one of those words being "socialist".

A list of words that Republicans don't understand is worthy of its own thread. It includes, but is not limited to: fascist, communist, authoritarian, bias, economics, science, fact, proof, racism and the one word that no conservative seems to understand, "news".
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Lily » Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:46 pm

JSOnline: State's pension system doesn't need tinkering. A recent Pew study rates Wisconsin's pension system as the strongest in the nation.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/st ... tml?page=1

I hope Mark Miller is able to get legislation through to allow Wisconsin farmers to participate but Sno is right that it's going to be an uphill battle.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Cornbread » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:07 pm

What the Fluke!?
Stu Levitan wrote:Having already established that he doesn't know what socialism is--


Sort of tedious for me to point out each leftist democrat bland/blind/bumpersticker accusation when I try to have an adult, rational conversation with ya'll. Mebbe ya'll are trying to just wear me out? Nah the leftist democrat BS is cookie cutter...and I can type very fast. Restaurant Impossible is on now, but it's a re-run. Sort of like leftists, progressives, or bark eating beetles, or whatever ya'll want to change your name to.

Cornie now equates a failed communist revolutionary with a Nazi dictator. OK!

For leftists always babbling on and on about how "educated" they are, ya'll sure are ignorant. The murderous, fascist pig che was all he was...and he was used by the castro (Inc) family. They hung out che to dry and be killed because che was a "true believer". These are also called "useful idiots".

The whole BS conjob of socialism/progressivism/people's [fill in the blank] is little more than a conjob, but ya'll are too idealistic and emotional to realize you're being turned out like a cheap crack whore. It's a great system, a great con, preying on the ideology of the hopeful, young and dreamy. Is this why zerobams always has his speeches at schools with kids? Very creepy unless you accept the above.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Cornbread » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:36 pm

pjbogart wrote:Stu, try to keep up.

Thank you. I know that ol Stu is just a government worker, killing time until he retires early with lavish bennies, but still, with all the spare time government workers have, one would think they'd be more up to speed.

Nazi is short for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or National Socialist German Workers' Party.

Thank you again. :D It is so rare that the re-re-re-defined for public consumption history is anything close to reality. Good job. :D

It says "socialist" in the name, therefore Adolf Hitler was a socialist.

I do think that a small portion of socialists/progressives start out as genuine socialists/leftists. But most are just narcissistic, petty, controlling, sociopathic pigs that will consume anyone and everyone to get the power they yearn for. (I ended a sentence with a preposition--that's so midwestern).

The Pig fidel castro and che are great examples of this. Once the castro crime family got control, they quickly murdered others fighting along side of them (a lot of US Military vets) and sent che packing to somewhere else to be killed. Stalin did this after WWII, murdering millions. Vietnam also did this. History is replete with this method. Ain't no rocket science....unless one is a 'true believer'.

History, along with any other subject you might find at an institution of learning, is hard to understand and occasionally requires things like reading and thinking.

Once again, you are correct.

“Labor Comrade. You work with us. Keep up your strength!”

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As long as we're being honest, you, being a leftist democrat, are all educated and all that jazz ya'll constantly (self) proclaim.

Like history shows, progressivism/socialism/leftism is little more than a terrible con at best, at worst, well, history. You edumacated leftist democrats know about the "black shirts vs. the brown shirts" of the progressive, leftist 1930s germany?

The SA was pretty much a gay military in germany, the SS 'eliminated' them on the "night of the long knives" once hitler was about to reach his power. Did I mention castro tossing che to the curb? Are we circling ourselves in history? Again and again, and again.... :lol:

You new democrats are constantly amusing in your ignorance and outright arrogance.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby david cohen » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:41 pm

meanwhile, no one has enunciated a good reason to fuck with the WRS...
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Stu Levitan » Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:25 pm

Cornbread wrote:
pjbogart wrote:Stu, try to keep up.

Thank you.


Apparently we can now add "sarcasm" to the extensive list of things Cornie doesn't understand.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Cornbread » Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:52 pm

Stu Levitan wrote:
Cornbread wrote:
pjbogart wrote:Stu, try to keep up.

Thank you.


Apparently we can now add "sarcasm" to the extensive list of things Cornie doesn't understand.


:lol: :lol: :lol: whatever you say, babalou. :lol:

You do know it's, like 2012 and stuff, don't you? ;)
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Michael Patrick » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:43 am

The bottom line recommendation from the WRS study mandated in Act 10:

Study Recommendation

Given the current financial health and unique risk-sharing features of the WRS, neither an optional DC plan nor an opt-out of employee contributions should be implemented in Wisconsin at this time.

Analysis included in this study from actuaries, legal experts, financial experts, and information from similar studies conducted in other states show that there are significant issues for both study items in terms of the actual benefit provided and potential for negative effects on administrative costs, funding, long term investment strategy, contribution rates, and individual benefits.
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby Bludgeon » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:33 pm

Is there anything more boring than a five page thread about retirement?
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Re: Changes in Wisconsin Retirement System

Postby jman111 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:17 pm

Anyone else see a distinction in toady, I mean, Secretary Huebsch's letter?

He emphasizes the health of the system "currently", "at this time" and its "current condition". He includes repeated calls for "frequently reviewing the system" to "regularly review our retirement system" and to "continue to monitor". Also, he includes allusion to "portability" offered by other retirement options- a clear push for 401(k)s.

Methinks somebody really wanted this report to open the door to changes and wants to revisit this type of analysis.
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