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State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Shorty » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:52 pm

Walker claims the State gvmnt is broke and needs to cut worker benefits to help the budget. But then the State hires more outside contractors which cost tax payer money. What a liar Walker is.

http://host.madison.com/news/local/govt ... 963f4.html

"State agencies' hiring of outside contractors surged last year, according to a report quietly released by the state more than eight months after its statutory deadline...Overall, combined spending on contractors by state agencies and the UW System increased by 17 percent, to $488.9 million."
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Cornbread » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:42 am

You actually read the wis state journal? Wow, that makes three people! Maybe they need to go even further left to attract more readership?

Shorty wrote:But then the State hires more outside contractors which cost tax payer money.


So people work for money?
"Contractors" mean they are only employed for a certain period of time, then can move on.....unlike government workers that once hired, it's almost impossible to fire them or lay them off.

What a liar Walker is.

Um, OK.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby bdog » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:29 am

Shorty wrote:"State agencies' hiring of outside contractors surged last year..."

"Last year" being the last fiscal year, July 2010 to June 2011.

Cornbread brings up a valid point - these workers are not permanent. Contractors are necessary in some cases as the State does not have the expertise, as the article points out.

That can be a double edged sword though as the contractor can take advantage of said lack of expertise.

The article also states that public employee unions scrutinize the report to find wasteful spending. Will be interesting to see what they come up with, and how much of it they find under Doyle's watch vs. Walker's.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby peripat » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:57 am

It isn't all jobs that only need to be filled for a short period of time (the state has 'project jobs' for that). Agencies now contract with temp services and renew those contracts year after weary year. They may not keep the same workers but they keep the positions filled. Just another way of putting more money into the private sector, I guess.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby juanton » Thu Jul 05, 2012 8:36 am

Yep, when I was a private contractor, they just renewed my contract every year. There are contractors still at the agency I worked at, that were there about 5 years before I started. Doing the math here: left after 4 years, over 8 years ago, carry the one. That's 17 years for those 2 specific contractors that I know.

The minimum rate where I work now is 70 per hour, then tops out in the low 200s.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby narcoleptish » Thu Jul 05, 2012 9:56 am

Cornbread wrote:You actually read the wis state journal? Wow,

So people work for money?

Um, OK.


How's that quest for discourse and civil conversation on the Forum coming?
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:29 pm

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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Lolla-Lee-Lou » Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:45 pm

IT contractors for the state are used primarily as staff supplementation, not for short term projects. I know individual contractors who have been with the state 17 or 18 years as well and a couple of large consulting firms (Deloitte, CGI) who have had contracts with the State for over 20 years. A large amount of State IT work is outsourced to contractors. The CBA's that are done in order to hire them always show it would be cheaper to hire State FTEs, but the legislature/gov (current and previous) is always looking to reduce the number of State employees, so contractors are hired instead. It really doesn't matter that it costs a lot more.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Cornbread » Thu Jul 05, 2012 7:49 pm

peripat wrote:It isn't all jobs that only need to be filled for a short period of time (the state has 'project jobs' for that). Agencies now contract with temp services and renew those contracts year after weary year.


It'd be interesting to see why in WI, the main entrance into work seems to be a temp agency. My bet would be the higher costs associated with hiring/firing/laying off an employee in WI relative to other states.

Compare the cost of hiring government employees vs. having an employee that's a contract worker would be interesting.

They may not keep the same workers but they keep the positions filled. Just another way of putting more money into the private sector, I guess.


...or a more accurate reflection of the real costs of actually hiring an employee. Oh, and those costs keep going up and up and up, with each leftist government decree of this and that.

Remember, now private employers have to give contraception/abortion coverage to lesbians. OK, other fluking people too. Throw in all the other mandates.

Heck, just look at the poison pill that leftist gov. doyle put in, in the name of "equal pay". Fraud, complete, fraud and would cause new hiring to plummet.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jul 11, 2012 12:00 pm

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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Crockett » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:12 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Avoiding the paywall: State's use of outside contractors surged last year


Do yourself a favor Henry, get Chrome and use the "Forget Me" add-in. You'll never worry about this stuff again.

Good deed on the day...done.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:21 pm

Notice that my latest link from madison.com uses their mobile site, which is outside the paywall.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby Lolla-Lee-Lou » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:12 pm

One of the reasons contractor spend went up also probably has to do with increases in rates. DHS signed a new contract with Deloitte in January 2011 that included a 15% increase in their rate. Contracts with other vendors may also have included rate increases for 2011. Since the report is just looking at $$ spent, it's hard to know how much actual increase in contracting there was compared to how much costs for the same amount of work just increased.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby ilikebeans » Wed Jul 18, 2012 1:35 am


Just read this story. Some "highlights" that I think need highlighting:

The 2011 “Contractual Services Purchasing Report” was released July 2, more than eight months after its statutory due date and less than a week after the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism wrote about its tardiness. Earlier inquiries from state lawmakers, union officials and the center had gone unanswered.
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As in years past, the report does not tell which companies got contracts, or list compensation rates. (Union officials have identified cases where contractors were paid upward of $200 an hour.) And tens of millions of dollars are lumped into oblique categories like “Professional Services - General.”

But this year’s report, as posted on the DOA’s website, is even less user-friendly than usual. It bears no date, obscuring its tardiness. And the report was apparently printed out and scanned back in as an image file, making it impossible to copy and paste data. Special software is needed to extract this information.

The report lists 350 cost-benefit analyses done last year. In half the cases that include numbers for both contractors and state employees, contractors were the more costly option. But, as in years past, the report doesn’t say what the state decided.

Moreover, Lassa said the huge disparities in some estimates “makes me question whether state agencies are making a serious effort to do accurate comparisons.” In one case, the Department of Transportation put the cost of using state employees for a given job at $55.7 million, compared to $120,000 for an outside contractor.
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Re: State using more outside contractors for Gvmnt work

Postby jammybastard » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:27 am

No surprises. This is what Walker has done in the past and will do in the future.
He did this in Milw. when he ran the County Board.
Remember the hiring of Wackenhut?


When Milwaukee County Executive Scott Walker announced that privatizing security at the courthouse and other county facilities would save taxpayers more than $750,000 a year, it seemed preposterous.

And it was.

According to new numbers crunched by the county’s audit department, the county will save an estimated $411,000 per year from outsourcing some of its security to global giant G4S Wackenhut.

But the savings in 2010 are even less than that revised estimate: about $125,000.

Why? Because during the two-week “transition” period, county taxpayers were footing the bill for three security teams: county-employed security staff, sheriff’s deputies (overtime costs ran to $29,000) and Wackenhut employees (an estimated $41,679). The county is also responsible for paying unemployment compensation for the displaced workers, who are now trying to find work during a recession. Even worse, the Wackenhut employee in charge of this team has now been removed, since he had five misdemeanor convictions in 2004.

These privatization efforts often have many downsides, including a decrease in the quality of products or services. So unless there is a significant cost savings, it is seldom worth it. With that understanding, Walker inflates the upside so as to gain political support.



http://www.expressmilwaukee.com/article ... -fail.html

He still uses Wackenhut "soldiers" to protect him when every previous gov. has been more than happy with the State & Capitol Police protection.
Why does he hate Wisconsin Police so much?
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