MOBILE USERS: m.isthmus.com
Connect with Isthmus on Twitter · Facebook · Flickr · Newsletters · Instagram 
Friday, August 1, 2014 |  Madison, WI: 58.0° F  Fog/Mist
Collapse Photo Bar

Health Care Reform

Races for the Senate, U.S. House, etc. and other issues of national importance.

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Jul 06, 2012 9:57 am

bdog wrote:
jonnygothispen wrote:since Walker increased Wisconsin's debt by $320 million during a slow recovery, while Doyle reduced Wisconsin's debt by $500 million during the peak of the recession, how do you explain your support of Walker's fiscal irresponsibility?

Link please.

http://www.wha.org/Data/Sites/1/medicai ... -11-12.pdf
Last paragraph on Page 2:
In the Budget in Brief that accompanied the Governor's 2011-13 budget message the administration projected that the GAAP deficit for the state would be $2.99 billion in 2011-12 and $3.02 billion in 2012-13.
Walker borrowed $558 million to give the illusion of a balanced budget: http://www.thewheelerreport.com/release ... lfbgpr.pdf

http://www.jsonline.com/business/105115159.html Paragraph 17: (Oct. 16, 2010)
Doyle inherited a $3.2 billion deficit that now stands at $2.7 billion.
jonnygothispen
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3015
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:53 pm

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby bdog » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:02 am

Jonny you do realize that we can't have this discussion without knowing WHAT the money was used for right?

But I will read your links and get back to you. AFTER new gum.
bdog
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3212
Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:26 am

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby jonnygothispen » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:14 am

Sure! I'm here (Planet Earth) to serve. Here's another link to help explain the difference between campaign Scot-Tea, and the official Scot-Tea figures... http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2 ... t-deficit/

There are,essentially, two accepted methods of accounting. There is the “cash method”— the one utilized by the Wisconsin legislature and Gov. Walker in creating their balanced budget—which accounts for how much money is in the bank at the end of the fiscal year after bills have been paid. If there remains cash in the bank account, then there is no deficit.

Of course, this approach does not take into account the reality that upcoming obligations are not only going to wipe out that cash, but create a deficit when those obligations exceed what is in the bank. As a result, cash accounting rarely presents a true picture of an organization’s finances—which is precisely why every public company in America, along with most city and country units of government, are required to use the GAAP method.

GAAP (the acronym for Generally Accepted Accounting Practices) accounting takes into consideration the money expected to come in and the money committed to going out in order to work out where an organization actually stands.
Just a few more helpful clues... Wisconsin law requires a balanced budget, using cash accounting. By "balancing the budget" using cash accounting, Walker didn't do anything special or unusual. Every WI Governor did the same.

So lets also look at where the $3.6 billion "deficit" came from: Government agency (headed by Walker appointees) requests for money for the upcoming fiscal year. The $3.6 billion was never actually a deficit, but rather it is exactly what Walker's state agencies wished for.

I guess what makes it interesting is that Walker criticized Doyle for using cash accounting also stating he wouldn't use it, but rather he'd use the GAAP method. Instead he did exactly the same thing as Doyle, and everyone else. Then his agencies fabricated an inflated "deficit" that didn't exist, which he "wiped out" by borrowing money and increasing Wisconsin's debt. Wild, hey?
jonnygothispen
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3015
Joined: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:53 pm

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Huckleby » Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:28 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:
Huckleby wrote:The key battle in health care is to establish that U.S. citizens have a right to health care.


And from whence does that "right" come?

Mainly from a larger/more powerful/more determined group's ability to force a smaller, less powerful/less determined group to provide it.

Your determination to make this into a class warfare, with the unwashed masses storming the noble gated communities of America, is factually nonsense and reprehensible.

There are many unselfish people of high income who want all Americans to have decent access to health care. On the other side, there are plenty of poor people who believe the Fox News narrative.

the answer to your question about where that right comes from: the same place where the right to a basic education came from. The people decided to create a right through their representatives. One legitimate role of government is to promote the general welfare.

You may believe the selfish ideology that "rights only come from God & nature", thereby disempowering government from social spending to benefit the greater good. You've got more work to do convincing the majority of that view.
Huckleby
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 6229
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:12 pm
Location: parents' basement

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Bwis53 » Sat Jul 07, 2012 12:55 pm

I've gotten two "repeal Obamacare" robo-calls in the last two days. Anyone else?
Bwis53
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 6296
Joined: Tue Dec 31, 2002 9:39 pm
Location: Bay Creek

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jul 07, 2012 1:06 pm

Bwis53 wrote:I've gotten two "repeal Obamacare" robo-calls in the last two days. Anyone else?

I hung up on one of them about an hour ago.
Henry Vilas
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 19604
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:57 pm
Location: Name sez it all

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby bdog » Sat Jul 07, 2012 2:12 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
Bwis53 wrote:I've gotten two "repeal Obamacare" robo-calls in the last two days. Anyone else?

I hung up on one of them about an hour ago.

So sayeth the self described moderate independent.
bdog
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3212
Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:26 am

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:21 pm

Maine's governor invokes Godwin's Law by calling the IRS the "new Gestapo" because of the mandate.
Henry Vilas
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 19604
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:57 pm
Location: Name sez it all

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:02 pm

Rick Perry joins Republican governors who won’t implement Obamacare

NBC's Dallas affiliate reports that Perry announced his refusal to create a state health insurance exchange in a letter to U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius:

"I will not be party to socializing healthcare and bankrupting my state in direct contradiction to our Constitution and our founding principles of limited government," Perry stated.

How is a system where people purchase private health insurance "socialism"? And when does a governor get to say something is unconstitutional after the Supreme Court says it isn't?
Henry Vilas
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 19604
Joined: Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:57 pm
Location: Name sez it all

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Huckleby » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:47 pm

All the noise is pre-election posturing. If Obama gets re-elected, the states will fall get in line for funding. They have large industries, especially hospitals, that will suffer without participating.
Huckleby
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 6229
Joined: Thu Oct 20, 2005 5:12 pm
Location: parents' basement

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Stu Levitan » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:34 pm

Only Republicans would hurt their own constituents for supposed political gain. But, heck, this isn't new -- the 112th Congress tanked the economy on purpose so they could beat Obama. They deliberately harmed the county in hopes of political gain. And we all know it.
Stu Levitan
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3212
Joined: Sat Feb 08, 2003 8:40 pm
Location: Studio B of the historic Abernathy Building

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby pjbogart » Tue Jul 10, 2012 12:34 am

Stu Levitan wrote:They deliberately harmed the county in hopes of political gain. And we all know it.


Yeah, we know that, if you're referring to the people paying attention. But I'll tell you something that Stu Levitan doesn't know... if it wasn't on FoxNews, then it didn't happen. Right wingers don't say crazy shit just to piss you off, they believe crazy shit.

The fact that it pisses you off is just icing on the cake.
pjbogart
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 6118
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2003 4:57 pm

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby bdog » Tue Jul 10, 2012 7:46 am

Stu Levitan wrote:Only Republicans would hurt their own constituents for supposed political gain. But, heck, this isn't new -- the 112th Congress tanked the economy on purpose so they could beat Obama. They deliberately harmed the county in hopes of political gain. And we all know it.

I didn't realize you were so naive.
bdog
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3212
Joined: Wed Mar 31, 2010 5:26 am

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby peripat » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:32 am

Says the person who thinks it is wrong to hang up on robocalls
peripat
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 963
Joined: Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:59 am

Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Meade » Tue Jul 10, 2012 8:45 am

Bwis53 wrote:I've gotten two "repeal Obamacare" robo-calls in the last two days. Anyone else?

Confirmed by Stu or they didn't happen.
Meade
Forum God/Goddess
 
Posts: 3341
Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:26 pm

PreviousNext

Return to National Politics & Government

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

moviesmusiceats
Select a Movie
Select a Theater


commentsViewedForum
  ISTHMUS FLICKR

Promotions Contact us Privacy Policy Jobs Newsletters RSS
Collapse Photo Bar