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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:04 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Did the ID requirement at the political convention disenfranchise any voters?


The political process involves more than just elections.

Tell us how someone without an ID participates in that political party convention.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:06 pm

Political parties are voluntary, private organizations (See the First Amendment). On the other hand, the right to vote is constitutionally protected.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:28 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Political parties are voluntary, private organizations (See the First Amendment). On the other hand, the right to vote is constitutionally protected.


Okay. So, in your opinion, which constitutionally protected rights ought to require an ID?
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:31 pm

One Note Johnny strikes again.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:34 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:One Note Johnny strikes again.


Hypocritical Hank strikes again. You won't answer that question will you?
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:42 pm

There is a big difference under the law. Former felons can vote, but can never legally possess a firearm.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:06 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:There is a big difference under the law. Former felons can vote, but can never legally possess a firearm.


Well, to be accurate, some former felons can vote. It depends upon the state-- there are a couple of states that permanently bar felons from voting. And in some states restoration of voting rights depends upon a period of time or completion of some program. How would one verify which felons fall into the "restored" status and which haven't?

Never say never: pardoned felons can possess firearms.

And from a practical standpoint, there is a huge difference. The requirement to show ID to purchase a gun has minimal impact on the ability of felons to actually obtain guns. They can obtain them on the black market, through theft, through straw purchases. There's no such similar way to vote, although one might argue that voting using another person's names is somewhat analogous to a straw purchase of a firearm.
But showing ID at the poll would certainly reduce the ease of doing that.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Dangerousman » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:09 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:There is a big difference under the law. Former felons can vote, but can never legally possess a firearm.


But your objection was that "voting is a constitutionally protected right." But it looks to me that you actually don't give much weight to your own argument in the final analysis. Correct?
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Slick Willy » Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:54 pm

The GOP's true motivation behind voter ID is disenfranchising voters. Historically in the US, the more people who vote, the more likely a politician on the Left will get into office, but the Right would have you believe that's because of voter fraud, even though voter fraud is so rare that it's NEVER flipped a US election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:06 pm

Dangerousman wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:There is a big difference under the law. Former felons can vote, but can never legally possess a firearm.


But your objection was that "voting is a constitutionally protected right." But it looks to me that you actually don't give much weight to your own argument in the final analysis. Correct?

Read the rest of the 15th Amendment. The right to vote for citizens can only be revoked for conviction of crimes or participation in a rebellion (think Civil War). It's up to the states if they want to revoke felons' voting rights. Some do, some don't. And the Supreme Court has previously ruled that the crime can't be just a misdemeanor. Citizens who live in U.S. terroritories or D.C. cannot even vote in presidential or congressional elections. But they could move to a state and do so.

The Supreme Court has also ruled that restrictions on firearms and on who can possess them are also constitutional.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Slick Willy » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:11 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:There is a big difference under the law. Former felons can vote, but can never legally possess a firearm.

Once a felon, always a felon, technically. Felons who are "off paper" can vote.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:51 pm

Slick Willy wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:There is a big difference under the law. Former felons can vote, but can never legally possess a firearm.

Once a felon, always a felon, technically. Felons who are "off paper" can vote.

In this state. In many others, never again.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:30 pm

Judges skeptical of Texas’s arguments on voter ID law

On Friday morning, Judge Robert L. Wilkins looked out across the packed courtroom at the lawyer for Texas and suggested that the state’s voter ID law would force some people to travel more than 100 miles to get the documents required for a photo identification.

“How does that impact your argument?” asked Wilkins. “Isn’t that unduly burdensome?”
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Much of the debate over the law has focused on the issue of exactly who would be affected by it. The burden is on Texas to convince the panel that the voter ID law is not discriminatory, and on Friday, Hughes, the state’s attorney, argued that there is no evidence, statistical or otherwise, that it is.

That argument, however, was received skeptically by one of the jurists, David S. Tatel, of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

Any appeal of the decision goes directly to the U.S. Supreme Court, which I expect will happen.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Cornbread » Sat Jul 14, 2012 5:59 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:
DCB wrote:The "right to vote" is just the product of activist judges.

Bulllshit.

"The right of citizens of the United States to vote..."
Fifteenth Amendment
U.S. Constitution


Yet again, Henry is wrong......but in either a sneaky, sly way in trying to con people or just he's the one being conned, and parroting it? Who knows? I don't. I don't care either.

Ummmm, henry, if one doesn't have to produce any form of identification in order to take the allocated slot to vote of a name at an address, just where does the concept of "citizen" come in? :shock: :lol:

Leftist democrats are always funny! Thanks. :lol:
Been a long wweek.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Slick Willy » Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:01 am

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