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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:00 pm

Translated from the Latin, George Washington's family motto is "The ends justify the means."
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Detritus » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:37 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Translated from the Latin, George Washington's family motto is "The ends justify the means."

I am not convinced that "Exitus acta probat" in Washington's day meant what we mean by "the ends justify the means." For that matter, I'm not sure that "the ends justify the means" meant in Washington's day what we mean by it today....
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:46 pm

It's a lot older than Washington. From Ovid, it is also sometimes translated as: "The result justifies the deed."

The meaning seems apparent.
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Detritus » Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:53 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:It's a lot older than Washington. From Ovid, it is also sometimes translated as: "The result justifies the deed."

The meaning seems apparent.

Yes, I am aware of the source. Meaning is rarely just "apparent," however, and rarely stable at that. For example "probare" is much more commonly used to mean "test, examine, evaluate," as in the phrase "the exception proves the rule." Although we now understand that phrase to mean that cases which appear to break the rules actually confirm them, it originally meant, more simply, that cases which appear to break the rules actually test them.

Thinking of "probat" in this more common sense, we can think of "Exitus act probat" as meaning that the ends test or evaluate the means. In other words, the phrase can be read to mean the something different from what we take it to mean today--not that you can do whatever you want in order to achieve a certain end, but that the results are the final evaluation of the means.

Therefore, I prefer to translate it as "It don't mean a thing if it ain't got that swing."
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:12 pm

I'll defer to you, since my school boy Latin is over forty years past.
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Ducatista » Wed Jul 11, 2012 1:18 am

Sometimes the label Forum Addict is uncomfortably apt.
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Detritus » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:36 am

Ducatista wrote:Sometimes the label Forum Addict is uncomfortably apt.

I vote we petition for a new label, "Forum Wino."
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:15 pm

Can Rachel Maddow palm a basketball?
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby narcoleptish » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:34 pm

"The graveyards are full of boys who are very young, and very proud."

I'm eating pizza and watching The Magnificent Seven.


Edit: 1 beer and I got the quote wrong
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Detritus » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:08 pm

I would feel a lot less ambivalent about loose meat sandwiches if they used another name for them.
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Jul 16, 2012 6:25 pm

When ever I heard the Shin's "Simple Song" on the radio, the vocals remind me of Christine McVie.
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:35 am

Why do people who consider Madison to be a liberal hell hole continue to live here?
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Peanutbutter » Tue Jul 17, 2012 11:56 am

Why do people who consider Walker to be a fascist bastard continue to live here?
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby jman111 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:29 pm

I don't recall ever before having quite the level of distaste for peanut butter as I have the last several days.
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Re: Random thoughts

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:45 pm

jman111 wrote:I don't recall ever before having quite the level of distaste for peanut butter as I have the last several days.


I've never actually hated someone on this forum until now. I've disliked people and their ideas, but never actually hate.
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