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Klimate Kooks Korrekt

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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby DCB » Mon Jul 09, 2012 9:35 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:Meanwhile, Hank will be jetting off shorty to yet another fabulous world vacation destination.

You mean this is all Henry's fault?
The record-breaking temperatures, the drought, the loss of life, the wildfires? its because of his vacation plans?

Jeff Masters director of meteorology at the Weather Underground website, told Democracy Now: "What we're seeing now is the future. We're going to be seeing a lot more weather like this, a lot more impacts like we're seeing from this series of heat waves, fires and storms."

He added: "This is just the beginning."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree ... ate-change

Damn you to hell, Henry Vilas!
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby ilikebeans » Tue Jul 17, 2012 4:43 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:I know it's just one data point, but... Past year warmest ever for US

One very important data point (via Time):

1 in 1.6 million: Those are the approximate odds that unusually high temperatures seen in the U.S. over the past 13 months could be occurring randomly, according to the “State of the Climate” report released today by the National Climatic Data Center (NCDC).
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby DCB » Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:25 pm

Kooky scientists say we're in a drought - but we just got all this rain! :roll: :roll: :roll:

silly scientists. :D :D :D
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby pjbogart » Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:12 pm

Prominent climate change denier and lap dog for the Koch brothers, Richard Muller, completely reverses course in his op-ed for the New York Times.

The verdict is in: Global warming is occurring and emissions of greenhouse gases caused by human activity are the main cause.

This, according to Richard A. Muller, professor of physics at UC Berkeley, MacArthur Fellow and co-founder of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project. Never mind that the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and hundreds of other climatologists around the world came to such conclusions years ago. The difference now is the source: Muller is a long-standing, colorful critic of prevailing climate science, and the Berkeley project was heavily funded by the Charles Koch Charitable Foundation, which, along with its libertarian petrochemical billionaire founder Charles G. Koch, has a considerable history of backing groups that deny climate change.


Koch-funded climate change skeptic reverses course

Oh, but wait. Why bother listening to all those scientists who study this kind of thing for a living when you can get the highly informed opinion of someone who actually knows the truth?

Muller’s conclusions, however, failed to sway the most ardent climate contrarians, like Marc Morano, a former top producer for Rush Limbaugh and communications director for the Republicans on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee who now runs the website climatedepot.com. “Muller will be remembered as a befuddled professor who has yet to figure out how to separate climate science from his media antics. His latest claims provide no new insight into the climate science debate,” Morano said in an email.


This is what drives me nuts about today's media. Oh yeah, sure the liberal New York Times would publish an op-ed from some deranged scientist who agrees with every other scientist in the world, but unless we include the opinion of Mark Morano someone might accuse us of being biased. Does the LA Times figure that they're doing us some sort of favor by diluting the facts with some baseless opinions of someone who's paid to have baseless opinions? How is that news?
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby rabble » Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:20 pm

Allow me to give the deniers their talking point. I can only find one so it'll probably get a bit old but there is, at least, one:

Muller wasn't really a skeptic because in 2006 he said there was a 2 in 3 chance that humans are causing global warming.

So it don't count. He wasn't skeptical enough, so he wasn't a skeptic. See how that works?
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Cornbread » Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:51 pm

I remember when the leftists all were all up on "Global Cooling" and "The New Ice Age". :lol:
Well that didn't work out too well, so it went to "Global Warming".
OK, so that didn't work out well either.
Now it's "Climate Change".

What the Fluke lefties? Why not just call it, "Weather"?
From Newsweek, 1975:

There are ominous signs that the Earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production – with serious political implications for just about every nation on Earth. The drop in food output could begin quite soon, perhaps only 10 years from now.
...
The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologists are hard-pressed to keep up with it.
...
Climatologists are pessimistic that political leaders will take any positive action to compensate for the climatic change, or even to allay its effects.

http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby DCB » Mon Jul 30, 2012 9:13 pm

On the one hand, 20 years of peer-reviewed research supporting global warming. On the other hand, a single Newsweek article speculating on global cooling from almost 40 years ago.

I guess the experts are sharply divided on this.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby DCB » Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:04 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/half-us-counties- ... 26921.html

Its only half the counties in the US. If it was a real catastrophe, all the counties would have a drought. So, no worries.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Cornbread » Thu Aug 02, 2012 7:38 pm

DCB wrote:On the one hand, 20 years of peer-reviewed research supporting global warming.

Are these the same peers that hid emails and changed data?

Here are some other 'peers" sending a letter to the un about global warming:

http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php?extend.123

Seems like lots of people there...




On the other hand, a single Newsweek article speculating on global cooling from almost 40 years ago.

I guess the experts are sharply divided on this.[/quote]
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby fennel » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:05 pm

Cornbread wrote:
DCB wrote:On the one hand, 20 years of peer-reviewed research supporting global warming.

Are these the same peers that hid emails and changed data?

Nope. Do your homework, Lazy Pants.

And while your at it, could your drag your wide ass off of that couch and take out the garbage, for once?
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby pjbogart » Thu Aug 02, 2012 8:35 pm

This seems to be an issue that really separates the cheerleaders from the true believers. You can kick and scream and complain all you want about raising taxes on the rich or offering free contraceptive pills to women, but if you're willing to watch the entire world go through potentially cataclysmic changes, you get to sit in the front row. You're the real deal. You don't even need to do a little research to find out if your own life is going to be royally fucked, whatever Rush Limbaugh says is the truth. End of story.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby DCB » Thu Aug 02, 2012 11:21 pm

fennel wrote:
Cornbread wrote:
DCB wrote:On the one hand, 20 years of peer-reviewed research supporting global warming.

Are these the same peers that hid emails and changed data?

Nope. Do your homework, Lazy Pants.

And the same could be said for 141 'peers' who signed the letter.

If they seriously think there is a problem with the ground-based stations, they should go investigate. But my guess is that data has already checked, and none of these signers could be bothered to read the current literature. Many of them are retired.

That is, if they were sincere in wanting honest answers. But I kinda doubt they are sincere. Or they wouldn't be asking whether
‘greenhouse gases’ (GHG) are having a dangerous impact on global climate;


The most reasonable scientists aren't making that claim. They are saying that the dangerous impacts are likely to happen in the future. And that we should work on the problem now. You know, before it gets dangerous.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby DCB » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:55 am

Remember this guy?
rabble wrote:Charles Monnett, who first publicized polar bears dying of exhaustion after being stranded between melting patches of Arctic sea ice, has been suspended on suspicion of "possible scientific misconduct."


Looks he's (mostly) cleared:
A long, controversial investigation of a polar bear scientist has ended with his government employer saying it does not look like he engaged in any scientific misconduct.


Well that's a relief. It turns out that these baseless allegations were baseless!

Carry on, climate scientists. Feel free to publish your controversial research, like "I saw some polar bears". At worst the government will only drag your name through the mud with no evidence for two years.
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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby fennel » Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:25 pm

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Re: Klimate Kooks Korrekt

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:31 am

Hmmm. A quick look at wiki confirms that devistating hurricanes hit the eastern seaboard in the 17th, 18th, 19th and early 20th century. Certainly there was less infrastructure to wreck back then...

just one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Colo ... ne_of_1635

Very, very mysterious....
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