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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby Henry Vilas » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:26 pm

Jesus was offended when he saw the Pharisees wearing their religion on their sleeves.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby rabble » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:28 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:
rabble wrote:It ain't? I guess it would depend on what he meant by "God's judgement" but to me it sounds exactly like "get ready for a holocaust from God if you let those people get married."


Your use of "Holocaust" in this context is despicable.

12 million were murdered in the death camps in the name of socialism and you dare compare that to a comment supporting traditional marriage?

Shame on you.

John Henry

Fuck you. You are hiding behind the bodies of dead people to wrap yourself in a cloak of shameless indignity. You don't give a damn about how that word is used unless a liberal uses it. Go jump in the lake and stop using someone else's hardships to pretend you care.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby snoqueen » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:06 pm

In social policy, baby steps can precede -- and test the waters for -- giant leaps.

Gays were persecuted and killed in the Nazi holocaust. It is not wrong to remember this and stand up to block any baby steps today that seem to be going in the same direction, which is toward the dehumanization of gays. It is not wrong to use the word holocaust to remind people how badly things can go wrong if enough people let enough stuff slide for too long.

At the same time, the numbers show support for gays increases inversely with age, and we have good reason to believe in a generation (20-25 years) or less the whole issue will be an anachronism. It never hurts to keep the pressure on, if only to encourage fence-sitters and shy people that it's OK to speak up and support their friends.

So the Chick-fil-A thing is basically theater. I have no problem with both sides acting out their parts in the play, but with regard to the issue as a whole, I think the ship has already sailed.

I think the next big step (ship?) is about gods and religion, or the lack of same. If we can arrive at an appreciation of the fact having a god or a religion is equal with having no god or religion, and the havers do not get preference or standing ahead of the non-havers, a lot of these social-wedge issues will be settled all at once. Once non-havers don't feel on the defensive any more (and the demographic trends are, again, in favor) the Chick-fil-A people can be left in peace to believe whatever they believe and sell each other chicken, and the rest of us will see it as quaint and about as threatening as the Amish refusing to put license plates on their buggies.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby Cornbread » Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:03 pm

snoqueen wrote:In social policy, baby steps can precede -- and test the waters for -- giant leaps.


Or in, whatchay'll call it, a "revolution"?

Gays were persecuted and killed in the Nazi holocaust.


Why?
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby Huckleby » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:06 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Jesus was offended when he saw the Pharisees wearing their religion on their sleeves.


Playing God is His job.

I certainly don't approve of Him smashing up that temple. Christ, violence never solved anything. Although perhaps it was performance art, a teaching moment.

I suppose I am guilty of telling people how to feel. If you feel offended, that's just the way it is. Perhaps taking a different attitude can affect the way you feel? Honestly, I've been around so many crazy clowns in my life that I have developed a thick skin. I've learned to appreciate the positive side of people, everybody is fucked up.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby rabble » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:45 pm

snoqueen wrote:So the Chick-fil-A thing is basically theater. I have no problem with both sides acting out their parts in the play, but with regard to the issue as a whole, I think the ship has already sailed.

And that's the point of Steinberg's article.
Times change. Just as we are now in the thrall of sane traffic design, so the idea that innocent people should be singled out and marginalized for their race, or religion, or sexuality, has fallen on hard times, though some quarters have not yet gotten the memo.

They're getting hauled over the line, kicking and screaming, just like they've always been.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby pjbogart » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:55 pm

Huckleby wrote:My sister is a fundamentalist christian. She is forever giving family members leather-bound bibles and other religous items as "presents." A lot of people are offended by this. I don't get that. If somebody else thinks they know what is right for you, they are idiots. Why would you take their opinion in regard to religion seriously enough to be offended?


Huck, you're comparing apples and elephants. No, I wouldn't be offended by your sister giving me a leather bound bible, in fact, I have a bible on my bookshelf that's on its last leg (not from heavy use, though). I'd love to replace it with a fancy leather bound edition.

Telling me that God is going to punish our nation if I drink beer is a more appropriate analogy. That would offend me because it attempts to blame me for things outside of my control. Suddenly droughts and tornadoes are my fault just because I drank some beer?
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby bdog » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:58 pm

Fuck God.

Can we all at least agree on this?

If God doesn't exist, it doesn't matter. If God does exist, he/she is a monumental asshole.

Fuck God.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby rabble » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:18 pm

That works if you're monotheistic. If you have multiple gods to not believe in, it gets more complicated.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby pjbogart » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:37 pm

bdog wrote:Fuck God.

Can we all at least agree on this?

If God doesn't exist, it doesn't matter. If God does exist, he/she is a monumental asshole.

Fuck God.


I think religion has a place in people's lives, the problem is that it is often twisted and used for immoral purposes. If religion offers people purpose and hope, a sense of comfort at the notion of death and a moral structure that makes them better people, then I'm all for religion. If you stand there and tell me that you're going to heaven and all the gays and Muslims are going to hell, then I think religion has failed you.

I think the biggest problem with religion is that people pick and choose which tenets to follow, oftentimes without even realizing that they're doing so. Christianity in particular has kind of a disturbing principle of forgiveness through communion, prayer or confession. If there is a god, even though I don't personally believe in one, I sincerely doubt that she's as forgiving as Christians make her out to be. The notion that you can be an immoral jackass all week and then drink some wine and eat some bread and go back to being an immoral jackass next week is completely ridiculous. I believe that any rational god will judge you for the person you are as a whole, not how many times you went to communion.

The seven deadly sins, whether you consider them principles of religion or simply morality, are a reasonable guide to being a better human being. Wrath, greed, sloth, pride, lust, envy, and gluttony. I would put particular emphasis on wrath and greed, as I think they have the most power to destroy your basic goodness.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby snoqueen » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:44 pm

I don't think it helps any to be nasty about other people's religious beliefs. We can disbelieve and non-believe without taking it that far. Being rude slops over onto other nonbelievers who would rather be seen as detached, respectful, curious in sort of an anthropological way, or oblivious.

Is rudeness part of "wrath?" I never really gave sins much thought before.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby bdog » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:56 pm

snoqueen wrote:I don't think it helps any to be nasty about other people's religious beliefs.

Bullshit. They're all fucking idiots, whether it's the chick-fil-a guy or the idiots who flew the planes into the towers expecting virgins as a reward.

FUCK GOD.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby Stebben84 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 8:59 pm

Cause it was taped to the baby stapled to the chicken.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby Huckleby » Sun Aug 05, 2012 9:12 pm

pjbogart wrote:Telling me that God is going to punish our nation if I drink beer is a more appropriate analogy. That would offend me because it attempts to blame me for things outside of my control. Suddenly droughts and tornadoes are my fault just because I drank some beer?


ok. I would feel the same way only if i felt vulnerable, or was empathetic towards someone else who was vulnerable. For instance, when the poor are accused of being lazy, or someone should suggest I'm lazy, that would piss me off.
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Re: Why did Chick Fil A cross the road

Postby Cornbread » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:19 pm

bdog wrote:Fuck God.

Can we all at least agree on this?

Nope.

If God doesn't exist, it doesn't matter. If God does exist, he/she is a monumental asshole.

Say what you may, but I know that as a Human Being, I have GOD GIVEN rights that no human being, nor any whorish, political institution of theirs can take away.

Fuck God.

That's your God given right to be a free individual human so you can say that. Thank God you don't live in some leftist, institutionally oriented nation/society or you may be brought up before some commission/ministry/board to answer for such a heretical thing as questioning their dominion over you.....

Heck, I think in canada and many old european countries people are banned from going there due to what they said. Yes, seriously...they are prohibited from entering those countries because of *GASP!* words they spoke/wrote!!!!!

The horror....the horror....some human thought police please protect us....from....them!.....the horror....
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