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Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby Shorty » Mon Aug 27, 2012 8:35 pm

Some right wing anti-gvmnt nuts were planning to assassinate Obama. They killed two people to cover it up. Glad they were caught before killing more.

http://news.yahoo.com/prosecutor-ga-mur ... 41769.html

"Four Army soldiers based in southeast Georgia killed a former comrade and his girlfriend to protect an anarchist militia group they formed that stockpiled assault weapons and plotted a range of anti-government attacks, prosecutors told a judge Monday.

Prosecutors in rural Long County, near the sprawling Army post Fort Stewart, said the militia group of active and former U.S. military members spent at least $87,000 buying guns and bomb components. They allege the group was serious enough to kill two people — former soldier Michael Roark and his 17-year-old girlfriend, Tiffany York — by shooting them in the woods last December in order to keep its plans secret."
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Re: Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby pjbogart » Mon Aug 27, 2012 10:14 pm

Seems perfectly reasonable if they truly believed that their nation was under attack, Obama was trying to establish Sharia Law, concentration camps were being erected to house conservative dissidents and UN troops were planning to invade their city.

Why do we arrest the hysterical citizens who are consumed by conspiracy theories and give a pass to the people who fuel that hysteria? Don't they share some responsibility?
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Re: Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby Mad Howler » Mon Aug 27, 2012 11:58 pm

pjbogart wrote:Seems perfectly reasonable if they truly believed that their nation was under attack, Obama was trying to establish Sharia Law, concentration camps were being erected to house conservative dissidents and UN troops were planning to invade their city.

Why do we arrest the hysterical citizens who are consumed by conspiracy theories and give a pass to the people who fuel that hysteria? Don't they share some responsibility?


Really BloJo? Come on?!
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Re: Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby johnfajardohenry » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:08 am

Haven't most people calling themselves "anarchists" historically been socialists/communists?

Kropotkin is perhaps the best known historical example. More currently, lots of the OWS folks claimed to be anarchists and their views looked a lot like socialism.

www.owsgeneralassembly.org

What were the political views of this group? Were they capitalist or socialist?

Me, I've never understood how one could claim to be both an anarchist AND a socialist. One is about no government at all, the other is about strong government and total control.

Seems like a contradiction in terms to me.

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Re: Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:10 am

Figured Ned would have added this to his "Enemies Among Us Thread". Wait a minute.... No I didn't.
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Re: Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby johnfajardohenry » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:12 am

pjbogart wrote:Why do we arrest the hysterical citizens who are consumed by conspiracy theories and give a pass to the people who fuel that hysteria? Don't they share some responsibility?


Perhaps because of the First Amendment?

Speech is not illegal. Actions are what is illegal.

Surely you are not one of these folks who wants to criminalize speech, are you?

I've not seen anything from you in this forum that would lead me to believe that.

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Re: Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Aug 28, 2012 9:22 am

Speech is not illegal. Actions are what is illegal.


Inciting a riot is illegal, as is shouting Fire in a crowded room (provided it's not actually on fire). There are limits to free speech. You know that. You chose to ignore it though to make some sort of point (which failed to land BTW).
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Re: Plan to assassinate Obama foiled

Postby pjbogart » Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:09 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:Speech is not illegal. Actions are what is illegal.

Surely you are not one of these folks who wants to criminalize speech, are you?


I do not believe that people have the right to lie. I do not believe that people have the right to incite violence. We've allowed our political system to be overrun by defamation and libel by pretending that an educated populace will weed out liars by refusing to vote for them.
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