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Impressions of the Debate

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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby scratch » Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:58 pm

ilikebeans wrote:JFC, all he would have had to do is trot out the Mitch McConnell quote, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president," then go down the long list of bills beneficial to the American public that Republicans refused to even consider.
Twice he had this huge opportunity. Or did he consider it and figure it would cast him as being too negative and unable to work across the aisle, facts be damned?


It seems like he could've trotted out Reagan's "There you go again schtick" as an introduction to the McConnell quote and the list of things the Republicans refused to take up. But not wanting to get down and dirty was one of the things some worried about with Obama in '08. Not that Ned, Meade, or bLASKAdog, among others, would believe that.
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby pjbogart » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:10 pm

I'm fairly convinced that Obama is not going to focus on Mitch McConnell quotes or seriously push the argument that he can't get anything done because Republicans are standing in his way. The entire argument simply plays into Romney's "failed leadership" allegations. Romney, as he so eloquently pointed out, worked with a Massachusetts legislature that was 87% Democrats. And they got things done.

You're certainly welcome to point out that Republican obstructionism in the current Congress is unlike any obstructionism we've ever seen before, and I think you'd be right. But the argument seems part allegation and part admission. In cribbage terms it would be like leading with a five.
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby HawkHead » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:47 pm

pjbogart wrote:You're certainly welcome to point out that Republican obstructionism in the current Congress is unlike any obstructionism we've ever seen before, and I think you'd be right. But the argument seems part allegation and part admission. In cribbage terms it would be like leading with a five.


Well if I have three 5s left in my hand after leading a 5 it ain't my fault. :lol:
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby Detritus » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:19 pm

pjbogart wrote:In cribbage terms it would be like leading with a five.

I take it that would be a bad thing?

Please don't try to explain cribbage to me....
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby Mad Howler » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:05 pm

What fascinates me most is that no one here has talked at all about the real winners of this circus. Ya know there are too many billions of dollars out there for this not to be thought of as a "real" race.
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby bdog » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:10 pm

The real winners are the next global power.

The Chinese? Yes, I will say the Chinese.

What say you Mad Howler?
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby manoletters » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:19 pm

Really now, there is no shame. Last night's debate? A football game!
CHICAGO gazed down at the floor - He dropped the ball, let UTAH score! Obama lost at least five points - I think he's been out smoking joints.
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby snoqueen » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:20 pm

Blogger James Rowen (Milwaukee) live-blogged the debate and didn't think it was such a disaster for Obama:

http://www.thepoliticalenvironment.blog ... ll-be.html
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby Meade » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:29 pm

snoqueen wrote:Blogger James Rowen (Milwaukee) live-blogged the debate and didn't think it was such a disaster for Obama:

I'm too lazy to get up and click on his link. Such a disaster? Then what kind of disaster did he think it was?
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby bdog » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:32 pm

Well...that didn't take long to see this blogger does not understand debates.

He did not say a word about the Obamas anniversary and how both candidates mentioned it in their opening remarks...
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby Mad Howler » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:41 pm

bdog wrote:The real winners are the next global power.

The Chinese? Yes, I will say the Chinese.

What say you Mad Howler?


I say that you are partly correct. I recognize that China's most major sea port has greater capacity than nearly all of ours combined in the US and many containers are headed back empty, although I hear production equipment from shuttering factories on our end is filling some containers. It is very hard to deny that all this has enhanced the bottom line of US multinationals and, maybe, lifted economies elsewhere in the world. But I find it difficult to accept your position without accepting the notion that US corporations have played a part. Now that would be plain treasonous, would it not?
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby bdog » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:48 pm

Treasonous? Yes!

But let's be honest, we've all played our part in that haven't we?

The USA had a good run but the end is near. History tells us so.
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby Meade » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:53 pm

bdog wrote:The USA had a good run but the end is near.

Only for those of you who are too snooty to shop at Walmart.
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby rabble » Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:57 pm

bdog wrote:The real winners are the next global power.

The Chinese? Yes, I will say the Chinese.

What say you Mad Howler?

They're poised for it but so was Japan.

I'm going with India.
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Re: Impressions of the Debate

Postby gargantua » Thu Oct 04, 2012 9:06 pm

I'm going to vote for Obama, I'm not at all non-partisan, and I thought Romney won the debate. Not because I thought he was right, but because he made his points more effectively than Obama did.

I think it had a lot to do with the fact that Obama has been President, and in that role isn't really challenged. He didn't have to go through the tough primary process, full of debates, that Romney did. So Romney was practiced, sharp, on his game.

I predict Obama will do much better in the remaining debates, now that he's faced some adversity.
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