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Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

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Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:25 am

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000087 ... 37928.html

"Both culturally (she's openly gay) and on pocketbook issues, she hugs the left-field line in a center-field state."

You know, it's possible to be openly gay and not hug the left-field line.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 8:48 am

I do know. But that possibility is not demonstrated by Tammy's voting record.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:17 am

As phrased in that piece, it's a (dumb) general claim, not a statement about Baldwin's record.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:46 am

The Wall Street Journal's opinion page is still sorting all this out.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:47 am

As phrased in that piece, it's a (dumb) general claim

I agree except that you took the phrased sentence out of the context of its preceding sentence: "[...] Ms. Baldwin—who represents what some call the "sanity-free zone of Madison"—was rated the most liberal House of Representatives member by National Journal in 2010."
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 9:54 am

All the context does is make more vivid the fact that the writer for some reason equates being openly gay and being far-left liberal.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:01 am

You're right - equates being openly gay and being far-left liberal for Tammy Baldwin.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:11 am

Moore claims that culturally, Baldwin hugs the left-field line. The sole piece of evidence he presents for the claim is that she's openly gay. The one doesn't follow from the other. Now if she were a CLOSETED gay ...
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Steve Vokers » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:16 am

Herb Kohl didn't hug the left field line, he was most definitely a moderate.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:22 am

For the record, I wasn't alluding to Kohl with that remark, the point of which was to highlight the columnist's weird specificity about Baldwin's being openly gay. Speculating about Kohl's sexual orientation is unseemly and disrespectful.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:37 am

Kenneth Burns wrote:All the context does is make more vivid the fact that the writer for some reason equates being openly gay and being far-left liberal.

Kenneth, are you saying that being "openly gay" does not generally suggest being "culturally liberal"?
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:44 am

Are you saying that being openly gay generally suggests being far-left liberal? Because that's what the columnist is saying.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:45 am

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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:48 am

So you're making a general claim about gay people based on a sample size of one?
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:55 am

Kenneth Burns wrote:Are you saying that being openly gay generally suggests being far-left liberal? Because that's what the columnist is saying.

No, I am not saying that being openly gay generally suggests being far-left liberal. I'm suggesting the columnist was attempting - albeit clumsily - to distinguish Baldwin's social/cultural far-left liberalism from her economic/pocketbook far-left liberalism.
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