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Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:56 am

Kenneth Burns wrote:So you're making a general claim about gay people based on a sample size of one?

No. I'm taking a sample size of all people who are "openly gay".
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:09 am

Meade wrote:No, I am not saying that being openly gay generally suggests being far-left liberal. I'm suggesting the columnist was attempting - albeit clumsily - to distinguish Baldwin's social/cultural far-left liberalism from her economic/pocketbook far-left liberalism.

I agree that the mistake seems clumsy, as opposed to pernicious. My only point is that you can't make assumptions about people's politics based on their sexual orientation alone.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 11:13 am

I agree, although I would not equate "openly gay" with "sexual orientation".
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:05 pm

Not sure I follow you.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby lukpac » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:26 pm

Steve Vokers wrote:Herb Kohl didn't hug the left field line, he was most definitely a moderate.


Depends...

Once in the Senate, Kohl (whose office said it was too early for an "exit interview") amassed a moderate-to-liberal voting record in step with his party. His social-issues votes were solidly liberal: pro-choice on abortion rights, in favor of expanded gay rights, and against various measures to curtail federal support for family planning. Planned Parenthood and NARAL Pro-Choice America both rated him 100% in the last few years, according to VoteSmart.org, a nonprofit website tracking congressional records. The National Right to Life Committee gave him zeros.

On business and economic issues, he won strong support — and ratings ranging from 80% to 100% — from unions. He often voted against free-trade agreements advanced both by Republican and Democratic leaders but opposed by labor. And he was a cosponsor in 2007 of the Employee Free Choice Act, which would have made union organizing easier; the bill died under a veto threat from President George W. Bush. When it was revived by labor-allied Democrats in 2009, Kohl did not sign on as a sponsor. While he was not among the conservative Democrats who joined Senate Republicans to help block the measure, Kohl's seeming retreat rankled activists.


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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:28 pm

Not sure I follow you.
"Openly gay" means only that one is publicly and honestly expressing oneself as being "not straight", right?

"Sexual orientation" has to do with one's identity relative to the sex or gender that one is attracted to and even whether or not one is attracted to any sex or gender at all.

If I'm mistaken, please inform me.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:45 pm

Right, gays can be open or closeted or at some point in between.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:00 pm

I don't know what Herb Kohl has to do with this topic but according to the National Journal: http://www.nationaljournal.com/2010voteratings, I would say Herb Kohl batted left twice as often as he batted right, and was a consistent position player who never moved very far from smack dab in the middle of left field.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Meade » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:07 pm

Kenneth Burns wrote:Right, gays can be open or closeted or at some point in between.

Yes, and, of course, so can straights.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 3:24 pm

Meade wrote:
Kenneth Burns wrote:Right, gays can be open or closeted or at some point in between.

Yes, and, of course, so can straights.

I've heard of this phenomenon.
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Re: Tammy/Tommy race on Wall Street Journal's opinion page

Postby Kenneth Burns » Sat Oct 06, 2012 5:53 pm

Kenneth Burns wrote:
Meade wrote:
Kenneth Burns wrote:Right, gays can be open or closeted or at some point in between.

Yes, and, of course, so can straights.

I've heard of this phenomenon.

There's this guy, a straight man hiding in the gay closet.
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