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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby DCB » Sat Oct 06, 2012 10:28 pm

A nice round-up over at Daily Kos.

I learned that New Mexico passed a law that is supposed to take effect in 2014. Some eager beavers decided to try and impose those restrictions this year. Which is of course illegal.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:38 am

Today is Columbus Day, a federal holiday (and also in some states - but not Wisconsin, a state holiday). Three states start early voting today. In Wisconsin, early voting has yet to start, but our state's DMV offices are closed to the public. Federal workers who are off today won't get a chance to obtain a Wisconsin ID card.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Oct 08, 2012 11:57 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Today is Columbus Day, a federal holiday (and also in some states - but not Wisconsin, a state holiday). Three states start early voting today. In Wisconsin, early voting has yet to start, but our state's DMV offices are closed to the public. Federal workers who are off today won't get a chance to obtain a Wisconsin ID card.



So they will have to go to the DMV on their lunch hour like every other person who works days?
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby fennel » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:10 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:So they will have to go to the DMV on their lunch hour like every other person who works days?
It sounds like you've never been to the DMV.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Oct 08, 2012 12:23 pm

fennel wrote:
Francis Di Domizio wrote:So they will have to go to the DMV on their lunch hour like every other person who works days?
It sounds like you've never been to the DMV.


oh I wish (perhaps I should have put hour in quotes :? )

But we're straying from discussing voter id, and into the level of service offered by the DMV (agency, not workers).

Arguing that federal works have no more chance to get to the DMV than everyone else seems pretty silly. On the other hand expanding DMV service hours and staff (if that is really the agency that should be handling a voter id) would seem to be important.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Huckleby » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:20 pm

People should get their voter ID cards when they turn 18, just like boys used to have to register for the draft. It should be an automatic process, perhaps administered by the high schools.

My preference is that there needs to be a national ID card. The idea that we shouldn't use a solid, universal ID systems is nutty.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby DCB » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:57 pm

Today's WSJ headline:
Election mailings show pattern of errors

I'm sure its just an honest mistake.

Municipal clerks and others who have seen the mailings wonder if it’s part of an effort to suppress the vote in the predominantly Democratic Madison area, but the state agency in charge of elections says it’s part of a long-term pattern of mistakes by the state GOP and other groups trying to get out the vote.
...
The omission means some people will show up at the polls unregistered, and then need to scramble to provide proof of residence, said Dane County Clerk Karen Peters, who contacted the GAB to complain.

“Some of these people are going to fall through the cracks and not be able to vote,” Peters said.

....
In 2008 and 2010, the city of Madison was flooded with hundreds of the state GOP’s incorrectly addressed registration and absentee ballot application forms from people all over the state, said City Clerk Maribeth Witzel-Behl.

“Whenever there’s a November election we see it,” Witzel-Behl said. “It was really overwhelming in 2008.”



Oooops.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby ilikebeans » Mon Oct 08, 2012 3:40 pm

DCB wrote:Today's WSJ headline:
Election mailings show pattern of errors

“Unfortunately, no list is ever perfect, and while these circumstances are without a doubt unfortunate, we are working diligently to make sure that accidental list mistakes do not occur in the future,” Conrad said in an email response to questions from the State Journal.

He continued, "In this case, we accidentally sent out enough forms that our plot was discovered by the media and GAB."
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:38 pm

3-judge panel rules in favor of photo ID law

A federal court panel in Washington Wednesday ruled in favor of South Carolina's voter photo ID law, but said it cannot go into effect until next year because there's too little time to implement the new law for this November's election.

The three-judge panel said South Carolina's law does not discriminate against racial minorities as the Justice Department and other opponents had argued.

The ruling further clouds the issue, which has resulted in conflicting rulings on whether requiring voters to present a photo ID is discriminatory.

I assume this will eventually end up in the U.S. Supreme Court.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Huckleby » Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:46 pm

What matters is that the can gets kicked past this November, which is only reasonable.

When photo IDs become established law across the country, I expect Dems will finally see out of necessity that poor people having ID is a very good thing.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby pjbogart » Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:03 pm

Huckleby wrote:When photo IDs become established law across the country, I expect Dems will finally see out of necessity that poor people having ID is a very good thing.


Well, if Democrats decide that voter ID is a good thing they'll probably want to have some sort of uniform rules so that Texas isn't preventing college students from voting while ushering gun owners to the front of the line.

That's when voter ID will officially become a communist plot to take over America and establish Sharia law.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Huckleby » Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:08 pm

Democrats got sucker-punched on a range of voter suppression attempts in 2013, but it seems the courts have mostly come to rescue.

I don't think voter ID will be a problem for Dems over long run, but we'll see.
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby DCB » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:28 pm

The Lawyer's Committee for Civil Right's has been working on this issue.
Here is their map of shame.

Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee jokes about voter suppression:
Encouraging supporters to call friends and ask if they’re voting for Issue 2, he joked, “If they say no, well, you just make sure that they don’t go vote. Let the air out of their tires on election day. Tell them the election has been moved to a different date,” he said. “That’s up to you how you creatively get the job done"
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:36 pm

DCB wrote:Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee jokes about voter suppression:
Encouraging supporters to call friends and ask if they’re voting for Issue 2, he joked, “If they say no, well, you just make sure that they don’t go vote. Let the air out of their tires on election day. Tell them the election has been moved to a different date,” he said. “That’s up to you how you creatively get the job done"


Oh the Humanity of it all! Wonder if he got the idea from these kids
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Re: Tough ID laws could block thousands of 2012 votes

Postby HawkHead » Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:04 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:
DCB wrote:Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee jokes about voter suppression:
Encouraging supporters to call friends and ask if they’re voting for Issue 2, he joked, “If they say no, well, you just make sure that they don’t go vote. Let the air out of their tires on election day. Tell them the election has been moved to a different date,” he said. “That’s up to you how you creatively get the job done"


Oh the Humanity of it all! Wonder if he got the idea from these kids


Seriously?

Someone who gets National attention tells people to suppress votes and that's OK?

The "kids" from Milwaukee should be sentenced to jail for their crimes. I hope they were. But that is no excuse for someone elses conduct.

Is it OK for me to rob someone because someone else has robbed me?
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