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Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

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Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby johnfajardohenry » Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:58 am

Hilary Clinton stepped up and took full responsibility for the failure in Libya that led to the murder of Ambassador Stevens and others.

Did she just stick a knife in Obama's back by doing this?

In effect is she saying "OK, Obama is nothing more than an empty suit. He knows nothing and does nothing. He is out of the loop. When the 3AM phone call comes, he rolls over and continues sleeping."

I didn't think Obama could through Hilary under the proverbial bus. She and Bill would not permit him to. I didn't expect this, though. Seems like kind of a master stroke.

She even gets to come off as the nobler of the two parties by stepping up.

Thanx to Ace of Spades for this line of reasoning.

Let's see what Romney does with it tonight.

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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby O.J. » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:04 am

johnfajardohenry wrote: I didn't think Obama could through Hilary under the proverbial bus.


Through what, the looking glass?

I fully expect Hilary to resign as soon as Biden does.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:04 am

Or the complete opposite of what you just wrote?
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby nutria » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:32 am

This reminds me of a joke from my grad school days -- "If the title of an article is a question, the answer is usually 'no'."
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby rrnate » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:43 am

Hilarious. If there is one thing to be gleaned from this, it's that John Henry is pretty amazingly dense.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby wack wack » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:52 am

In a word: no.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby Michael Patrick » Tue Oct 16, 2012 11:56 am

O.J. wrote: I fully expect Hilary to resign as soon as Biden does.


I see what you did there. :lol:
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby pjbogart » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:00 pm

Brilliant analysis, John Henry. A few days ago it was Obama throwing Hillary under the bus by, uh... actually no one was able to explain that one. Then, by a "master stroke" Hillary exposed Obama as an empty suit by, uh... doing her job!

But what amazes me even more is that even if the security draw-down came directly from the White House, how would that simple error in judgement affect Obama's reputation? Did John Kerry trot out anguished, weeping parents every time a soldier died in Iraq? If there's an attack on a US convoy in Afghanistan, is that Obama's fault for not assigning extra security?

Republicans bizarre desire to play politics with this tragedy is disgusting. They wear their lack of shame and integrity on their sleeves for all the voters to see.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby Slick Willy » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:04 pm

We all know the last thing that Romney supporters wanted was for Hillary and the State Dept to take responsibility for Benghazi and the diplomats, even if the fault does ultimately lie with them and faulty intelligence, so now the Right is figuring out some way to spin it, and I guess this is going to be their weak attempt.

Gotta love it when John Henry shows his true colors.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:21 pm

Ignoring the source of the theory, I can't actually come up with a good alternative.

It's not a "who is responsible" issue. It's a perception issue. She just came out and said she was in charge and it was her responsibility.. Ignoring the fact the operational security issues shouldn't be made at her level either, she has to know her statement was easy fodder for Republicans. She's just not that stupid or naive.

Clinton's statement of responsibility was "a laudable gesture, especially when the White House is trying to avoid any responsibility whatsoever," the Arizona senator said in a joint broadside with Sens. Lindsey Graham of South Carolina and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. However, they added, "The security of Americans serving our nation everywhere in the world is ultimately the job of the commander-in-chief. The buck stops there."


It's ridiculous to think that the president is responsible for making every tactical decision in the day to day operations of the government, but ultimately American's believe the buck has stopped there at least since Truman.

Clinton trying to change that perception at this point, the night before the foreign policy debate seems odd.
"I know that we're very close to an election," Clinton said. "I want to just take a step back here and say from my own experience, we are at our best as Americans when we pull together. I've done that with Democratic presidents and Republican presidents."
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 12:43 pm

rrnate wrote:Hilarious. If there is one thing to be gleaned from this, it's that John Henry is pretty amazingly dense.


How dare you. This is as brilliant as Obama not seeking re-election, or Biden. I mean, JH loooooves Palin so you have to give him credit. Come on, multiple voting for the wealthy. Your failure to see his genius shows YOUR true colors.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby pjbogart » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:25 pm

Not to mention that Hitler was a socialist, Joe McCarthy was an American hero and Huma Abedin is likely a spy for the Muslim Brotherhood.

We all have a lot to learn from John"hidinginatrailerparkinDubuqueIowa"Henry.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby Donald » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:23 pm

Grow up, and read a little bit before posting stupidities. Security at consultates is generally decided at a lower level than the Secretary, and it most assuredly is assessed at lower levels. No one who knows anthing about security decisions at a consulate would even entertain the idea that they would be decided by Obama or Clinton. Although the Secretary of State is ultimately responsible for the operation of the security apparatus and process at State, the specifics of security at any consulate would most likely be decided by professionals in security and would at most get a sign off by an Assistant Secretary of State. There was a fuck up, or, more likely, a failure to respond fast enough to a changing situations, and it will be thoroughly investigated, and corrected. My best guess is it had to do mostly with trying to handle security in the usual manner, which is to depend on out-sourced security personnel (thanks Republicans) and local security forces, some of whom may have been compromised. I don't know how reducing the budget for security at State Department facilities, as in Ryan's budget, would improve security, but maybe one of the know-nothings who post here can tell us.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:51 pm

The simmering pot of lies is about to blow and Hillary, the Dems abused washer-woman, can't save Him.
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Re: Did Hilary just throw Obama under the bus?

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:00 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:The simmering pot of lies is about to blow


Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US was the President's Daily Brief prepared by the Central Intelligence Agency and given to U.S. President George W. Bush on August 6, 2001. The brief warned of terrorism threats from Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda 36 days before the September 11, 2001 attacks.[1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_ ... rike_in_US

Find me a smoking gun like this and we can have an adult conversation.
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