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Romney's Election Fraud.

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Romney's Election Fraud.

Postby rabble » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:58 am

The same way he won the Arizona primary.
When Duniho applied a mathematical model to actual voting results in the largest voting precincts, he saw that only the large precincts suddenly trended towards Mitt Romney in the Arizona primary – and indeed all Republicans in every election since 2008 – by a factor of 8%-10%. The Republican candidate in every race saw an 8-10%. gain in his totals whilst the Democrat lost 8-10%. This is a swing of up to 20 point, enough to win an election unless a candidate was losing very badly.


Pima County in Arizona is investigating.

On the one hand, I hope this story grows better legs than it's got now, but on the other, who the hell cares. The fix is in and there's not a damn thing anybody can do about it.

It might get enough publicity to put a stink on Romney's win but his bosses don't care about that as long as the right pockets are involved.
(Edit. I changed the subject to reflect the actual topic. The first one was too cryptic.)
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Re: Romney's going to win.

Postby gargantua » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:20 am

Interesting, and depressing if there is really something behind it. I would think that if something like this were really happening, multiple people would be in on it. I find it hard to imagine that it could be kept secret for long....not on the same order as the 9/11 attacks were planned by the government, but still, hard to hide.

I sometimes wonder why we bother with voting. Just tally up who raised the most money and award them the office, since money almost always wins anyway.
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Re: Romney's Election Fraud.

Postby rabble » Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:38 am

There's no way to prove there really is something behind it. If they implement all the failsafes Duniho recommends and suddenly the stats change, it'll be more circumstantial evidence.

I can't come up with a way to prove anything. Even if a cohort lays out a detailed confession, what evidence could they come up with aside from, maybe, some sort of conspiracy charges.

Solid proof that an election was tampered with? Zero. All the evidence is electronic and temporary.
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Re: Romney's Election Fraud.

Postby snoqueen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:11 pm

I've been trying to bring this up for a while now. Thanks for the info.

The reason there's no evidence to prove tampering up to this point is there's NO EVIDENCE. It is destroyed after each election. That doesn't prove anything at all, but it strongly suggests that we need a way to preserve, verify, and ensure the integrity of vote tabulation in the future (which isn't going to happen in 2012).
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Re: Romney's Election Fraud.

Postby rabble » Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:23 pm

From that link
* Mr. Duniho was a senior programmer at the National Security Agency for 37 years.

* To Mr. Duniho's knowledge, insiders are responsible for 100% of election fraud. He has never seen an instance of an outsider 'hacking' an election, only those with licit access.

* Mr. Duniho sees no security risk from access to the database files from any party provided that the election is over. All election data in the database is unique to that election and provides no advantage in penetrating the security of future elections.

* Mr. Duniho thinks access to these database files are the next logical step in making elections in Pima county secure from manipulation, specifically, it is the only way to ensure oversight over elections insiders.

* Mr. Duniho authored an elections manual for Arizona county party chairmen to assist in enhancing the security of elections in their own counties as part of his work with the Democratic Party's Election Integrity Committee.

* MS Access on which GEMS is based has essentially no security for anyone with access to the computer on which it runs, making elections very vulnerable to insider manipulation, despite physical and process security measures adopted by the county at his suggestion.

GEMS is Global Election Management System from Premier Systems

Wow. Election software based on Microsoft Access. Any IT folk out there want to talk about what a secure and dependable application Access is?
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Re: Romney's Election Fraud.

Postby DCB » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:16 pm

snoqueen wrote:The reason there's no evidence to prove tampering up to this point is there's NO EVIDENCE. It is destroyed after each election. That doesn't prove anything at all, but it strongly suggests that we need a way to preserve, verify, and ensure the integrity of vote tabulation in the future (which isn't going to happen in 2012).

Actually, it proves one thing very clearly: that there is NO EVIDENCE whether or not the votes have been tampered with. Every voter (especially those who have raised such a fuss over voter fraud) should be concerned about this.
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Re: Romney's Election Fraud.

Postby rabble » Sun Oct 28, 2012 4:34 pm

No hard, irrefutable evidence.

What we do have is four years worth of statistically improbable trends that always benefit Republicans and always happen in the largest districts of states controlled by Republicans.

And we have Republicans who do not want anybody analyzing the data after the elections.
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Re: Romney's Election Fraud.

Postby ilikebeans » Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:57 am

rabble wrote:Wow. Election software based on Microsoft Access. Any IT folk out there want to talk about what a secure and dependable application Access is?

It's the same software Kathy Nickolaus use(s? d?) to tabulate votes in her infamous Waukesha County snafus.

And yeah, the built-in "security" is a joke.
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