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Politics and the CT shooting

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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Stebben84 » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:26 pm

Sandi wrote:Fucking morons.


Sandi wrote:
**Pops a beer and listens to the vitriol**


Sandi wrote:That you will turn such a tragedy into politics and political hay is really disturbing


Well, considering this thread was about Rush Limbaugh turning it into politics, I think your vitriol is unmerited.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby pjbogart » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:45 pm

ouroborus4 wrote:And no, it doesn't say 'republicans', but I think it is pretty obvious that the stereotype of 'gun advocate' is a republican.


There are a ton of gun owners who are Democrats. Gun advocates, clearly a step beyond owners, tend to be Republicans but my critique of gun advocates includes all gun advocates: Republicans, Democrats and everyone in between. And I stand by my assertion that gun advocates are to blame for crimes such as this. A schoolteacher in Connecticut has numerous automatic weapons in her home for self defense, including a military grade assault rifle? Do you know what an M4 Carbine is?

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I have very little sympathy for the parents of the shooter, including the one who was killed with her own gun. Having something like this in your house is asking for trouble. Were you planning on battling post-apocalyptic zombie hordes? Was there some danger that the Marines might be landing in Newton, Connecticut to assign you to a government re-education camp? Do you consider dangerous weapons to be appropriate toys for your home? Do you juggle grenades at your neighbors' birthday parties?

People who oppose reasonable restrictions on gun ownership invite these types of crimes, and they do so fully aware of the dangers such weapons pose to innocent members of the community. If you want to own an M4 Carbine, you better be a member of a well-regulated militia, meaning there should still be further restrictions on possession, storage and usage. This is not a fucking toy. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who has a subscription to gun porn like "Guns and Ammo" should be automatically precluded from owning any guns. If a Benelli Tactical Shotgun gives you a boner, you should never, ever touch one.

Yeah, I think obsession with the 2nd Amendment and guns is a sickness. The more you want a gun, the more important it is that you never have one.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Meade » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:05 pm

pjbogart wrote:Yeah, I think obsession with the 2nd Amendment and guns is a sickness. The more you want a gun, the more important it is that you never have one.


George III, King of Great Britain wrote:Yeah, I think obsession with self-governance and freedom is a sickness. The more you want independence, the more important it is that you never have it.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby rabble » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:14 pm

Definitely, freedom kills thousands of people a year and should be strictly regulated.

We should register all of our freedoms and you should need a license for concealed freedom, and it should not be available at freedom shows.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Sandi » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:19 pm

A schoolteacher in Connecticut has numerous automatic weapons in her home for self defense, including a military grade assault rifle?


Too bad she didn't have them at school.


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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby rabble » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:34 pm

Vitriol.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby pjbogart » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:18 am

I don't know whether to laugh or cry at such nonsense, Sandi being simply an amplifier for NRA idiocy. Apparently, in a perfect world we'd have kindergarten teachers armed with assault rifles to protect their students.

The problem is too few guns!
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Mad Howler » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:03 am

I have decided to take a moment to cry.

These bastards at the top of the disinformation heap, well, plopped this piece out just after...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2 ... y_crap.php

Are 'WE' capable of reason anymore? If not this piece works:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-e ... rts,30743/

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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Meade » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:25 am

rabble wrote:Definitely, freedom kills thousands of people a year and should be strictly regulated.

We should register all of our freedoms and you should need a license for concealed freedom, and it should not be available at freedom shows.

Too sarcastic by half?
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby bdog » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:43 am

Another in the recent spate of Rabble's "Let me see if I've got this right" posts.

And another he got wrong.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby johnfajardohenry » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:50 pm

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http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/14/ ... mon-sense/


US doesn't make the top 10. Rate of violent crime here per 100,000 is 470.

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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby rabble » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:43 pm

John, you do understand that "violent crimes" is not the same thing as "violent deaths," right?
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby pjbogart » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:48 pm

johnfajardohenry wrote:Image

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2012/12/14/ ... mon-sense/


US doesn't make the top 10. Rate of violent crime here per 100,000 is 470.

John Henry


Jeepers, Johnboy, for a college professor you sure don't demand much sourcing of information. And for a guy who refers to himself as a "Bookworm" it seems that telling us where he gets his statistics wouldn't be much to ask. The chart has a cut-off reference to the "conservative EU commission", but that gives me no results in Google and the author provides no link. Is that standard practice among conservatives? Is the definition of a "violent crime" the same in each of those countries? Who's compiling the statistics? Is that a British conservative group trying to make Britain look bad or the US look good?

The Bookworm also makes the rather bizarre assertion that progressives in the media are responsible for violence because of our "bloodsoaked" TV, movies, video games and music. But don't people all over the world watch the same movies, play the same video games and listen to the same music? You're telling me that Canadians don't play "Call of Duty" and that's why they have less murders? I've always had a childish fondness for the over-the-top lyrics of The Misfits, but I've yet to chop off any little girls' heads and put them on my wall. Do they not listen to The Misfits outside of the US? I suspect they do.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Igor » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:59 pm

pjbogart wrote: You're telling me that Canadians don't play "Call of Duty" and that's why they have less murders? I've always had a childish fondness for the over-the-top lyrics of The Misfits, but I've yet to chop off any little girls' heads and put them on my wall. Do they not listen to The Misfits outside of the US? I suspect they do.


So, by extrapolation, I assume that you are of the opinion that the Sikh Temple shooter's involvement with racist organizations and music had nothing to do with his shooting?
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby rabble » Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:05 am

Igor wrote:
pjbogart wrote: You're telling me that Canadians don't play "Call of Duty" and that's why they have less murders? I've always had a childish fondness for the over-the-top lyrics of The Misfits, but I've yet to chop off any little girls' heads and put them on my wall. Do they not listen to The Misfits outside of the US? I suspect they do.


So, by extrapolation, I assume that you are of the opinion that the Sikh Temple shooter's involvement with racist organizations and music had nothing to do with his shooting?

Wow. Did you limber up before you started that stretch?

Okay, I'll bite. Why is joining racist organizations like listening to the Misfits or playing Call of Duty?
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