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Politics and the CT shooting

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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Stebben84 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:41 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:And I note that you don't tell us who did the poll.


From the same article:

The survey, conducted by Republican pollster Frank Luntz


They asked for the poll, but they themselves did not conduct it. Big difference.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby johnfajardohenry » Fri Dec 28, 2012 10:46 am

Seems like with all the other issues we have, high unemployment, going of the fiscal cliff, wars and so on, now would not be a real good time to try to introduce gun control. One would think that the Senate would have more important things to do.

Yet Diane Feinstein is going to do just that. Not just any gun control measures but some pretty draconian ones. It is OK for her to carry a concealed handgun, not the rest of us apparently.

Or perhaps this is the ideal time. She is going to stir up a major kerfuffle and then Obie and de boyz will slip something past while we are not looking.

Like Harry Reid did with unlimited detention of Americans in the NDAA.

BOHICA!

I am all for this. As I have been saying, "Worse is better". This is more or less what I expected of Obama and the demmies and why I supported him.

I also suspect that it will do miracles for NRA membership. I had been a member and let it lapse 15-20 years ago. I just rejoined. Just by way of no harm, I also joined Gun Owners of America.

It may not do too much for gun sales but that is only because sales have gone through the roof of late with many retailers sold out and many manufacturers on back order until June or later. Ditto ammo. They can sell all they can make and I would assume that they are ramping up production as we speak. I sure hope so. We need more, not fewer guns. We need a well armed citizenry

I don't think Obie had anything to do with the Sandy Hook shooting. He sure is riding that horse for all it is worth, though.

I think it will ultimately backfire on him. Worse is better and I am seeing that happen. Eventually we will break on through to the other side and things will actually get better. We've a ways to go, though.

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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Stebben84 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 11:38 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:It is OK for her to carry a concealed handgun, not the rest of us apparently.


Not in her proposal. Her proposal pretty much targets assault weapons.

johnfajardohenry wrote:Seems like with all the other issues we have, high unemployment, going of the fiscal cliff, wars and so on, now would not be a real good time to try to introduce gun control. One would think that the Senate would have more important things to do.


For many people this is an important issue. Maybe not for you, but the world doesn't revolve around "what would John Henry Do"
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby snoqueen » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:06 pm

This may not relate directly to the Connecticut shooting, but now that we're questioning how the nation manages its gun laws, we need data on how those laws are working.

http://www.npr.org/2013/01/02/167984117 ... n-homicide

That goes to tonight's NPR feature about a study of how stand your ground laws affected homicide rates in states that enacted those laws. From the link:

[the author of the study] recently decided to analyze national crime statistics to see what happens in states that pass stand your ground laws. He found the laws are having a measurable effect on the homicide rate.

"Our study finds that, that homicides go up by 7 to 9 percent in states that pass the laws, relative to states that didn't pass the laws over the same time period," he says.

As to whether the laws reduce crime — by creating a deterrence for criminals — he says, "we find no evidence of any deterrence effect over that same time period."


The details are the interesting part, and rather than try to summarize them I'll let people read for themselves. Just one more quote:

...based on the available data, it appears that crafters of these laws sought to give good guys more latitude to defend themselves against bad guys. But what [the] data suggest is that in real-life conflicts, both sides think of the other guy as the bad guy. Both believe the law gives them the right to shoot.


This is what I came back to, repeatedly, when we were discussing gun laws last fall on the forum. How do you know who's a good guy with a gun and who's a bad guy? Seems the shooters can't tell either.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby pjbogart » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:45 pm

snoqueen wrote:How do you know who's a good guy with a gun and who's a bad guy? Seems the shooters can't tell either.


Well, you wouldn't understand, Sno. Being a good guy with a gun instantly transforms me into a superhero. I have cat-like reflexes, can see in the dark, and can hear and identify noises imperceptible to lesser humans who do not possess a gun. I can subdue a crowd of unruly teenagers merely by swaggering in their proximity and I shit red, white and blue turds. When I carry my gun, women treat me like a porn star... and so do men. I'm invincible and my judgement is always perfect.

For these reasons and these reasons alone, I should never carry a gun.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby O.J. » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:56 pm

pjbogart wrote:
snoqueen wrote:How do you know who's a good guy with a gun and who's a bad guy? Seems the shooters can't tell either.


Well, you wouldn't understand, Sno. Being a good guy with a gun instantly transforms me into a superhero. I have cat-like reflexes, can see in the dark, and can hear and identify noises imperceptible to lesser humans who do not possess a gun. I can subdue a crowd of unruly teenagers merely by swaggering in their proximity and I shit red, white and blue turds. When I carry my gun, women treat me like a porn star... and so do men. I'm invincible and my judgement is always perfect.

For these reasons and these reasons alone, I legally changed by name to Auric Gold.


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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Stella_Guru » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:05 am

snoqueen wrote:
...based on the available data, it appears that crafters of these laws sought to give good guys more latitude to defend themselves against bad guys. But what [the] data suggest is that in real-life conflicts, both sides think of the other guy as the bad guy. Both believe the law gives them the right to shoot.


This is what I came back to, repeatedly, when we were discussing gun laws last fall on the forum. How do you know who's a good guy with a gun and who's a bad guy? Seems the shooters can't tell either.

The good guys could be recognized by their activities institutionalized by the 2nd Amendment; Indian killing, land stealing, slave patrolling, and enforcement of domestic apartheid. You know, the well-regulated militia of armed White men against Blacks and Indians.
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Re: Politics and the CT shooting

Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:42 am

Is johnfajardohenry really from Barron County?

Wow! Conspiracy theories reach a new height with help from a Wisconsin GOP organization. Blogger Jeff Simpson reports today that the Barron County Republican Party has been sending around a link to a blog which claims that the Newtown shootings were actually committed by the U.S. government, using Adam Lanza and his mother as foils. It was all aimed, this paranoid blog claims, to bring about gun control so that banks and the government could take control of a gunless citzenry.
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