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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby christopher_robin » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:52 pm

minicat wrote:3. Act Naturally is not on the American/Capitol version of Help! (so Capitol can't be blamed for that...)


Good catch.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:58 pm

Stebben84 wrote:
brentron909 wrote:I just had an argument with my wife about this, but I think "Money" totally kills the mood on Dark Side of the Moon


I would agree with you on that one.


I've been saying this for years.
I don't dislike "Money" or anything, but it really doesn't seem to fit on the LP. Back in my vinyl days, I routinely just skipped it, since it kicked off side two.

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christopher_robin wrote:"Act Naturally" is a jarring detour into the pedestrian from the otherwise otherworldly HELP.
The clunker on Help! is Lennon's "It's Only Love".
You're both wrong. If there's a clunker on Help! (and that's a big if, IMO), it's Harrison's "You Like Me Too Much". The real crime of that album is burying "I've Just Seen A Face" near the end of side two. Capitol yanking it and then kicking off Rubber Soul with it was the one-and-only such decision they made which I applaud.

The stand-out clunker-of-all-time for me is "Moby Dick" from Led Zeppelin II. If that track didn't exist, Zeppelin would've had a perfect record of nothing but great tracks on their first 5 LPs (that's right, suckers, "The Crunge" is awesome.) Great riff, but a drum solo is still a drum solo...
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby minicat » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:00 pm

christopher_robin wrote:
minicat wrote:3. Act Naturally is not on the American/Capitol version of Help! (so Capitol can't be blamed for that...)


Good catch.


A minor point, but considering how different the American & UK versions of Help are, probably worth pointing out. Neither is "It's Only Love," for that matter. I wouldn't kick either of them off the island.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby dave esmond » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:10 pm

christopher_robin wrote:So yes, Ringo received additional compensation any time he sang a song.


I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

The composer or owner of the song earns royalties. Not the performer.

Johnny Russell and Voni Morrison earned royalties every time that song was performed. No matter who sang it. They even earned 'em when someone did an instrumental performance.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby minicat » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:18 pm

"Pow R. Toc H" on Piper at the Gates of Dawn by Pink Floyd
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby Kyle Motor » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:32 pm

christopher_robin wrote:Kyle Motor, I know we've had our differences in the past,

Absolutely. But it's about music, which doesn't really matter, so....
christopher_robin wrote:so I'm going to look past your petulant tone (maybe you can work on that?)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA no. Not if you're going to ask like that. Hilarious.
christopher_robin wrote:and gently advise that you do some research on "performance royalties" as a working musician who presumably sells records. This is basic stuff.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royalties# ... _royalties

So yes, Ringo received additional compensation any time he sang a song.

Wasn't he already paid by drumming on it? The lead vocal credit equaled a paycheck? I've never heard of that before. Isn't that pay miniscule compared to songwriting royalties? I'd think if John & Paul were really so concerned about George & Ringos finances, they'd encourage them to write more, and then allow said compositions onto the albums.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby Kyle Motor » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:34 pm

minicat wrote:"Pow R. Toc H" on Piper at the Gates of Dawn by Pink Floyd

Bite your forked tongue. "The Gnome" is the turd on Piper.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:38 pm

To my ears, Piper is mostly just a turd to begin with. So basically, you guys are just arguing about which corn nugget is most noticeable.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby minicat » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:41 pm

Kyle Motor wrote:
minicat wrote:"Pow R. Toc H" on Piper at the Gates of Dawn by Pink Floyd

Bite your forked tongue. "The Gnome" is the turd on Piper.


"The Gnome" may have stupider lyrics. But I like the melody.

yes, I know PRTH is the one without any lyrics.

Here's another: "Sad Eyed Lady of the Loooooooowlaaaaands" on Blonde on Blonde
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby Kyle Motor » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:55 pm

minicat wrote:Here's another: "Sad Eyed Lady of the Loooooooowlaaaaands" on Blonde on Blonde

Dylan = All turd, all the time.

I often skip "Love You To" on Revolver, and although I sometimes find "Yellow Submarine" likeable on its own, I really hate it on this album.

"White Man" on Queen's A Day At The Races is awkward and kinda crappy.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby minicat » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:07 pm

"John and Julie" on Turtle Soup is a momentum killer

"She's Bought a Hat Like Princess Marina" on Arthur by the Kinks
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:12 pm

minicat wrote:"She's Bought a Hat Like Princess Marina" on Arthur by the Kinks
Yes! I like to pretend there are no clunkers on that album but damn it, "Marina" sucks.

Not sure what you have against "Sad Eyed Lady", tho. It certainly doesn't break up the flow of the record... heh.

And speaking of closers, here's one for Henry: "Thorn Tree In The Garden" is the turd-capper to the otherwise wonderful Layla.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby minicat » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:17 pm

re Zep: I agree with you about "Moby Dick." "The Lemon Song" isn't much better.

As for the Dylan, I've just never liked "Sad Eyed Lady." It's probably the one song of his from the '60s I have always consistently skipped. The fact that it is sequestered on side four is a definite advantage.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:26 pm

"The Lemon Song" is fantastic.
Just for badmouthing it, you need to sign up for Facebook so that I can unfriend you in contempt.
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Re: Dubious tracks on otherwise great albums

Postby minicat » Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:32 pm

Prof. Wagstaff wrote:"The Lemon Song" is fantastic.
Just for badmouthing it, you need to sign up for Facebook so that I can unfriend you in contempt.


yeah, actually it's ok other than the extended Blueshammer break. but it's the second worst song on the LP either way.
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