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Re: The gun thread

Postby kurt_w » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:52 pm

This is both hilarious and pathetic:

What is the Citadel?

The Citadel is a developing community of Patriots in the mountains of Idaho who believe in Jefferson's Rightful Liberty and have chosen to live amongst one another, who have sworn their Lives, their Fortunes and their Sacred Honor to defend one another and Liberty.


It's a commune for people who are monomaniacal about guns. They want to build an actual castle, to house a few thousand gun nuts. To provide an income, they'll (of course) build a factory to manufacture guns.

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I like the combination "Firearms Museum and Reflecting Pool".

Then there's the list of bylaws ("Patriot Agreement"). I was going to quote it, but gave up because it's just too much. Well, OK, here's Rule Eight:

Eight: All Patriots, who are of age and are not legally restricted from bearing firearms, shall agree to remain armed with a loaded sidearm whenever visiting the Citadel Town Center. Firearm shall be on-the-person and under the control of the Resident, not merely stored in a vehicle.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby snoqueen » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:01 pm

Like a drunk on the road, it's preferable to have them in front of us than behind us, so we can better see what they're doing.

If it wasn't for all the guns, this would remind me of a bunch of little boys building a fort in the woods using refrigerator boxes, drawing up maps and plans and secret symbols. I can understand the fun of utopian fantasy. But...

Not-so-good precedents:

Branch Davidians

Ruby Ridge

Pacifists actually have a better record with utopian towns, including the Amana colonies and the Shakers.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby fisticuffs » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:23 pm

What's the over/under that this ends in the biggest Mexican standoff ever?
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Jan 14, 2013 1:22 pm

What? No moat?
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Re: The gun thread

Postby kurt_w » Mon Jan 14, 2013 2:04 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote:What? No moat?


Now all I can think of is Inspector Clouseau trying to get across the moat into that castle in The Pink Panther Strikes Again.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:46 pm

No moat, and no sewage disposal system (or any other public utilities -- are those too communist?). They're all going to use outhouses and dig wells for their water, I assume.

Where are the medics? None of those either.

I can see vectors converging on a problem here.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Stebben84 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 3:53 pm

According to their site, they have a

Power/Biomass/Water Plant


I assume there is some sort of sewage treatment. Oh, and you should all start planning your vacations:

Additionally, the Citadel intends to become a premiere tourist destination for Americans from sea-to-sea and border-to-border. Not only will tourists travel to see the only real fortified castle & town in America, we intend to offer numerous attractions including a firearms museum where enthusiasts actually get to fire their favorite arms from history!


I'd love to hear the travel agent pitch for that one.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby rabble » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:15 pm

If they can get the funds for the build, they've got at least three or four season's worth of tourism from a pretty dependable customer base. I don't know whether that would be enough to pay all the costs but I'm positive they could give it a good shot.

I bet some of those tourists would put at least one year's firearms budget into a visit. No, wait. Part of one year's budget. They'd have to buy a few guns straight from the factory.

Oh hey. Did you know there's a tactical supply store on Thierer Road? I got one of their mailers last week. This is my favorite so far.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby wack wack » Mon Jan 14, 2013 4:51 pm

snoqueen wrote:If it wasn't for all the guns, this would remind me of a bunch of little boys building a fort in the woods using refrigerator boxes, drawing up maps and plans and secret symbols. I can understand the fun of utopian fantasy. But...


After reading through everything on their site, it sounds exactly like those little boys only a few years later: sitting in home rooms, pissed off at the world, folders covered with drawings of guns and bombs and exploding teachers' (or parents') heads hiding grand plans for the day when they don't have to listen to ANYONE anymore.

It's really not much more sophisticated than that.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby TheBookPolice » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:06 pm

in the mountains of Idaho

Awww...they're as scared of us as we are of them!
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Stebben84 » Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:13 pm

TheBookPolice wrote:
in the mountains of Idaho

Awww...they're as scared of us as we are of them!


About their location:

We are confident that the county is an ideal fit offering low population density and, importantly, a shared world-view with most of its Liberty-minded residents: independence, self-sufficiency, and patriotism.


In other words, we're building it in militia country. This is basically a libertarian's wet dream. Well, except for the fact you are FORCED to own a gun. Is that really the intent of Thomas Jefferson?
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Re: The gun thread

Postby snoqueen » Mon Jan 14, 2013 6:52 pm

Maybe they'll have slavery, too.

I do have to say, in fairness, they didn't seem to draw any distinction between the rights and obligations of their male and female recruits. I found that interesting.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:32 pm

rabble wrote:If they can get the funds for the build, they've got at least three or four season's worth of tourism from a pretty dependable customer base. I don't know whether that would be enough to pay all the costs but I'm positive they could give it a good shot.

I bet some of those tourists would put at least one year's firearms budget into a visit. No, wait. Part of one year's budget. They'd have to buy a few guns straight from the factory.

Oh hey. Did you know there's a tactical supply store on Thierer Road? I got one of their mailers last week. This is my favorite so far.


This would be mine if some of them didn't look so "Not Zombieish"
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Re: The gun thread

Postby pjbogart » Mon Jan 14, 2013 11:23 pm

Wow, a citadel is a great idea. Do they have anti-aircraft guns on top of the schools? It seems like if it came to a standoff, the nature of the citadel would pretty much make negotiations relatively fruitless. "Send us your women and children, we're about to blow the joint up."

Seriously, these dopes have no more self-awareness than your average armchair quarterback. Dig a moat. Toss a few alligators in it. What good would any of it do against an airstrike?

The benefit of a bunker is that it's secret. If everyone knows where it is, it's more like target practice.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby kurt_w » Tue Jan 15, 2013 12:10 pm

I'm thinking the castle is supposed to protect them from mobs of looting inner-city thugs and other socialist liberal types. I don't think they expect to fight off the US Air Force.

It's a common conservative fantasy scenario. Civilization collapses, and a small band of resourceful, steely-jawed white guys hunker down somewhere in the mountains of the western US to protect their women, children, and other property from looters. Think "Lucifer's Hammer" by Niven & Pournelle, or various b-grade stuff by Heinlein.
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