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Popewatch '13

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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Fri Mar 01, 2013 2:02 pm

Madcity Expat wrote:I also think I will decree that fish consumed during lent must be anchovies or lutefisk.


can you throw in sushi?
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Stebben84 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:43 pm

Sorry, can't resist:

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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby MPMay » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:30 pm

Worth a few chuckles:

http://youtu.be/uKyqSwJ5i2U
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby MPMay » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:52 pm

Day one: black smoke.

I heard that if Cardinal Angelo Scola is chosen as pope, he already has a deal lined up for his own soft drink: Pope Scola. (Don't blame me, blame David Letterman).
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby MPMay » Wed Mar 13, 2013 6:27 am

Day two: Black smoke.
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:43 am

If the cardinals choose an Irishman for pope on Sunday, will the smoke be green?
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:46 am

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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Bwis53 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:53 am

I'm amazed at the amount of attention this is getting. It's as if a head of state was being elected.
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 12:20 pm

Bwis53 wrote:I'm amazed at the amount of attention this is getting. It's as if a head of state was being elected.


This is important stuff. The next pope will get to set the limits on the number of molestations that can happen in a given Catholic sector. That's no easy number crunching there.
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:01 pm

Bwis53 wrote:I'm amazed at the amount of attention this is getting. It's as if a head of state was being elected.

The pope is a head of state. A very small city-state.

Edit: White smoke just now.
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby MPMay » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:11 pm

Habemus Papam!
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby O.J. » Wed Mar 13, 2013 1:33 pm

I'm expecting The Vatican to threaten the U.S. with a pre-emptive nuclear strike tomorrow.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... l-conclave
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby ralphie w » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:04 pm

I really want to "like" these posts --kind of similar to the AV club--but I'll just go with "Brava" or "Bravo!" depending on how you roll.
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby MPMay » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:13 pm

So here are some of my thoughts on Francis, recognizing that I knew little about the guy 8 hours ago.

1. Don't expect significant change for the RCC. All of these cardinals were chosen by the last two very conservative popes, JP 2 and Ratz. They all basically hew to that conservative view on key issues like abortion, celibacy, ordination of women, contraception, and acceptance of gay relationships. Francis will be no different, IMO. Now maybe we'll get a shocker like John XXIII, but don't count on it. I don't see much change in what have been retrogressive policies of the RCC since the issuance of Humanae Vitae in the late 1960's.

2. Francis has serious problems with his acquiescence or complicity (I can't tell which at this point) in the Argentinian dictatorships over the years. Some very bad stories are coming out. I suspect that he, like many prelates in countries run by strongmen, look to protect the church first and protest the atrocities later. Still, he hasn't had problems complaining about the more progressive policies (especially on gay rights) of the current Argentinian government. This is a serious issue in terms of PR, but frankly, of little import within the RCC.

3. He is 76 years old, and I suspect is seen as a transitional pope. He is a transition to the view that the RCC is more than Europe and Italy, and in fact needs to begin to pay attention to the southern hemisphere. Nearly 1/3 of all Catholics are in Central and South America. They need to be pastored. I think he is also a transition to a more pastoral view of the role of the RCC, in contrast to the dogmatic, theological view espoused by the last 2 popes.

4. His pastoral view, that I suspect he will push, is shown in things like visiting the poor parts of Buenos Aires, arguing that the church can no longer exclude from baptism the children of unwed mothers (indeed, comparing churchmen who do this to the hypocrites and pharisees of the bible), and insisting that the major role of the church is to care for it members and not worry so much about dogma. In fact, I see a decent chance that Francis will relax rules related to participation of divorced, gays, and unwed parents in the RCC -- he sees keeping those Catholics as more important than the dogmatic debate.

5. He has also been very critical of the vast economic inequities between the rich and poor. It isn't your old liberation theology, but it is speaking truth to the power of capitalism. He has referred to these vast inequities as sins that must be abated.

6. He is also transitional in being the first pope from the Americas (isn't that just like Rome? 500+ years after Columbus, they decide this "New World" thing is not just a passing fancy and maybe we ought to accept it), the first Jesuit as a pope (studied the sciences), the first pope to take an unused papal name in something like 1200 years (I'm excluding JP I since he just used the combined names of his immediate predecessors), and the first pope to pick a name from a saint who was a radical in his day. If he really follows the lead of Francis of Assisi, you are going to see some uncomfortable folks in the curia. I think the name is more for his pastoral leanings than real revolution.

7. The big question is if he has the strength, the power and the inclination to take on the pedophilia scandal that has so plagued the RCC. He has some help here in that he does not come from the curia, or from Europe or North America, where the scandal is at its worst. He may have the authority to do something on this. Cleaning up this scandal, and the problems within the Vatican administration, would be huge. He has no serious ties to the past administration, which may give him greater leeway to clean things up.

8. Bottom Line: Don't expect big changes. Francis may work on the edges to make the RCC seem less obtuse and recognize the needs of the poorer parts of the world. He shows no signs of being a huge reformer, and his lasting legacy may be to bring the new RCC world of the Americans and Africa some greater recognition in the old.
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Re: Popewatch '13

Postby Shorty » Wed Mar 13, 2013 9:24 pm

He lost a lung to infection as a teenager but seems to have done well. He dislikes the rich and commutes to work on public transportation just like me so I like him.

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