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Re: The gun thread

Postby snoqueen » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:03 pm

Be careful you don't cut off your toe with that thing.

The lawn mower is clearly the greater risk factor here.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby O.J. » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:09 pm

snoqueen wrote:Be careful you don't cut off your toe with that thing.

The lawn mower is clearly the greater risk factor here.


Ahem.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby O.J. » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:11 pm

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Re: The gun thread

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:42 pm



That reminds me of the NRA's response to school safety. An utter and complete joke.

"Teachers should teach, but if there is personnel that has interest and is willing to go through 40 to 60 hours of [firearms] training, then schools should be willing to [arm them]," Hutchison said. He added that the report found that "local school authorities are in the best position" to determine their own school security measures, "specifically whether an armed security guard is necessary and supported by the education and citizen community."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/0 ... 99968.html


guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, more guns, guns, guns, more guns...

This isn't about safety or constitutional rights. This is about people completely OBSESSED with guns.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Dangerousman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:14 pm

fisticuffs wrote:And how many people are mugged and murdered while mowing the lawn each year in America? In Wisconsin? In Madison, Wisconsin?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia


I don't know how many, why don't you begin to compile the statistics?

http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/04/02/washington-court-house-man-sentenced-for-attacking-neighbor-with-garden-hoe.html

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/animal-rights/pit-bull-jumps-fence-pulls-florida-man-daniel-etgen-lawn-mower-and-mauls-him

A concern about criminal activity is rational, a fear of law-abiding people is irrational. Yeah, let's talk paranoia.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Dangerousman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:18 pm

Stebben84 wrote:
This isn't about safety or constitutional rights. This is about people completely OBSESSED with guns.


Or about people who are obsessed with fear of people with guns.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:27 pm

Even most NRA members support universal background checks (and so did the NRA leadership at one time). But since they now kowtow to the gun manufacturers, the leadership changed its tune. Why? Because it might hurt gun sales and thus, the manufacturers. The profit motive trumps rational regulation.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby pjbogart » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:30 pm

So you carry a gun while mowing your lawn in case a pitbull with a garden hoe jumps the fence and attacks you?
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:43 pm

Dangerousman wrote:
Stebben84 wrote:
This isn't about safety or constitutional rights. This is about people completely OBSESSED with guns.


Or about people who are obsessed with fear of people with guns.


You really think a society where almost everyone had guns would be a good one, don't you?


MORE GUNS
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Re: The gun thread

Postby jman111 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:00 pm

Nirvana realized: In Georgia, town requires gun ownership

What could possibly go wrong?
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Re: The gun thread

Postby penquin » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:25 pm

jman111 wrote:What could possibly go wrong?


Always hard to predict the future, but we can look at what happened to Kennesaw, GA.

In 1982 they passed a law similar to the one Nelson just enacted. By 2005, their overall crime rate had dropped by 50%, with a slight uptick since then. In 2007 Family Circle magazine named 'em one of the "10 best towns for Families".

Despite the claim of "more guns = more violence", I couldn't find any stories/reports about any mass shootings in the town since the law regarding gun ownership was passed.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:52 pm

NRA says more guns in schools will protect children

Columbine High School had an armed guard. Little good that did.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby nutria » Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:34 pm

jman111 wrote:Nirvana realized: In Georgia, town requires gun ownership


Holy shit. Anyone taking bets that the same dickheads that passed this law think the ACA's provision that everyone must buy health insurance is socialist/marxist/fascist/kenyan?
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Re: The gun thread

Postby kurt_w » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:41 pm

penquin wrote:Always hard to predict the future, but we can look at what happened to Kennesaw, GA.

In 1982 they passed a law similar to the one Nelson just enacted. By 2005, their overall crime rate had dropped by 50%, with a slight uptick since then.

I just looked at the FBI Uniform Crime Reports for Kennesaw, GA. They only have data back to 1985, and a few years are missing. But ... it's true. The overall crime rate (property + violent crimes) fell by about 50%, or more, from 1985 to 2010.

On the other hand, that's true for a lot of other places that didn't start mandating gun ownership. In general, crime rates in the US have dropped by a lot over that time period (I think the evidence is overwhelming that a lot of the decrease is due to the phaseout of lead in gasoline, paint, etc., but that's another story...) So maybe Kennesaw's crime decrease isn't all that impressive afterall.

But on the third hand (huh?) my impression is that the decrease in crime rates has been a bit slower in the South than in the rest of the US. In fact, Georgia as a whole has seen its crime drop by significantly less than 50%, so Kennesaw's 50% decrease is more impressive when you compare it to the rest of its region instead of to the US as a whole.

Also, Kennesaw's population has increased by about 400% since the mid-80s, and in general crime rates increase as population increases, at least within a given region. So one would expect Kennesaw's crime rate to have increased (or at least not decreased as much), which again makes the actual drop in the crime rate more impressive.

On the fourth hand (we're half-way to an octopus here, folks) it's not clear to me how much effect Kennesaw's gun rule actually had. My guess is that most of the people who wanted to own guns before the rule passed already did, and those who don't want to probably just ignored it (the law is probably unenforceable and as far as I know the city has never tried to enforce it). So trying to interpret changes in the local crime rate as being informative about the effects of increased gun ownership is probably pointless.

Bottom line: overall, the crime drop in Kennesaw is real, and moderately impressive, though lots of other places around the US have experienced similar drops in the crime rate. And these kinds of laws probably don't have much effect, on either actual gun ownership rates or on crime rates, in either direction. At least that's my take on it.
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Re: The gun thread

Postby HawkHead » Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:51 pm

snoqueen wrote:Be careful you don't cut off your toe with that thing.

The lawn mower is clearly the greater risk factor here.


Sno here is my real response to the lawnmower situation.

A lawnmower is FUCKING LOUD!!! If someone wants to kill you you have no chance in the world no matter what type of weapon you have. They line you up and shoot and you are dead!

If someone wants to rob me, let them. First the lawnmower is FUCKING LOUD!!! The person would be on me before I could pull my gun out of the holster so it is of no use. Second, I don't carry cash or any valuables with me when I mow. I close and lock the door using the touch pad to our garage. No one can break in. I just type the code "wrong" a few times because I'm nervous and no one gets in the house until someone with a key comes home.

The worst thing that has happened to me while mowing is almost getting hit by an errant tee-shot.
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