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Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Huckleby » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:06 pm

Whose fault is it anyway? Answer: It doesn't matter
It's Gov. Scott Walker's fault.
No, wait, it's those rabble-rousers who organized the recall elections. It's their fault - they created the uncertainty that is causing the Wisconsin economy to slow-walk.
Whoever is to blame, "Wisconsin is falling behind," Abdur Chowdhury, an economics professor at Marquette University, told the Journal Sentinel last week.


Unbelievable. The editorial board of The Milwaukee Journal has determined that Governor Walker has no accountability for the economy. Everybody's to blame, so nobody is to blame.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby wack wack » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:09 pm

"Uncertainty" is soooo 2011.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 1:36 pm

Huckleby wrote:Unbelievable. The editorial board of The Milwaukee Journal has determined that Governor Walker has no accountability for the economy. Everybody's to blame, so nobody is to blame.


And of course, they would probably be the first to say it's Obama's fault for the poor national economy and, on the flip side, would probably give credit to Walker if we had created a bunch of jobs.

How editorialicious.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Apr 03, 2013 6:59 pm

While Walker's supposedly number one goal was to get more jobs for the state, the job numbers in Wisconsin are going in the opposite direction.

"Anti-business" Dane County has the lowest unemployment rate in the state. Other areas didn't fair as well.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:54 am

The conservative MacIver Institute is trying to fudge job numbers in order to support Walker's broken promise.

MacIver in a press release this week claimed that Wisconsin has added 137,000 new private sector jobs since Walker took office in January 2011. But economists say the figure was wrongly derived by comparing two different types of economic calculations from the Bureau of Labor Statistics: the monthly CES or Current Employment Statistics based on a small sampling of employers and the QCEW or Quarterly Census of Employment and Wages based on an actual count of all employers.
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So how close is Walker to his pledge to create 250,000 jobs? Using the latest CES, the most current numbers available, Wisconsin has 64,500 more jobs in February 2013 than it did in January 2011.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Meade » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:28 am

Those revisions leave Wisconsin with a “jobs deficit” of 156,300, which Dresser calls “a remarkable change” from her organization's last estimate of 245,000 — and a big step in the right direction for the state’s economy. The jobs deficit is a COWS estimate of the number of jobs need to replace all those lost since the recession began in December 2007, combined with increases in population over that time.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:43 am

What does that mean for Wisconsin? The size of the job deficits much smaller but still substantial. We are only very slowly making our way out of the job loss from 2007. The revisions provide good news for the state, but that news is good mostly relative to the very negative numbers have been revised upward. The state jobs deficit remains daunting. If jobs increase at the rate posted over the past three years (0.08%), Wisconsin will not recover the number of jobs lost in the recession until September of 2015.


http://www.cows.org/_data/documents/1467.pdf

Feel free to read more of the cheery news.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Meade » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:26 pm

Wisconsin and her neighbors:
MI - no compelled union dues
IN - no compelled union dues
MN - compelled union dues
IA - no compelled union dues
IL - compelled union dues
WI - compelled union dues
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Meade » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:07 pm

From COWS:

January 25, 2013
Wisconsin Job Watch is a monthly publication that tracks Wisconsin's jobs deficit.
 
Wisconsin added 1,300 jobs and saw no change in the unemployment rate in December 2012, a fitting end to a second year of labor market stagnation in the state. Wisconsin's jobs deficit now stands at more than 240,000. The deficit accounts for two factors. First, the state has 152,900 fewer jobs than it did five years ago when the recession began. During that time period, however, the working-age population in Wisconsin has been growing. Indeed, over those five years the state should have added over 90,000 jobs just to keep up with population growth. Combined, these make up to a jobs deficit of 243,127.
 
Wisconsin's Jobs Deficit: 243,127


April 09, 2013
Wisconsin Job Watch is a monthly publication that tracks Wisconsin's jobs deficit.
 
Wisconsin added 12,000 jobs in the month of February, and estimates of the number of jobs added in January were revised upward by 9,000, adding to a total of 19,000 new jobs, according to the latest report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Wisconsin’s job deficit now stands at 156,300, a remarkable change from the last estimate of 245,000. Two changes account for this. First, in the month of January, the reporting agency that estimates the number of jobs created each month revised over four years of data and small changes over 48 months added up to the substantial change in the jobs deficit. Second, the agency revised downward the growth in population over this time period. In short, the new estimates show more jobs and fewer people, meaning a smaller jobs deficit.
 
Wisconsin Jobs Deficit: 156,300


From JSOnline.com:

Walk-O-Meter

Create 250,000 new jobs

Will "get government out of the way of employers ... who will then help Wisconsin create 250,000 jobs by 2015, and as we create those new jobs, we will be able to add 10,000 new businesses.”
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/pro ... -new-jobs/

Back to Dresser:

The state jobs deficit remains daunting. If jobs increase at the rate posted over the past three years (0.08%), Wisconsin will [...] recover the number of jobs lost in the recession [in] September of 2015.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:17 pm

According to a new survey done by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, Wisconsin ranked 44th in the nation in job creation. This data was gathered from September 2011 to September 2012.


http://www.fourthestatenewspaper.com/ne ... ob-growth/

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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Huckleby » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:13 pm

Meade wrote:Wisconsin and her neighbors:
MI - no compelled union dues
IN - no compelled union dues
MN - compelled union dues
IA - no compelled union dues
IL - compelled union dues
WI - compelled union dues


Yes Meade, the rust belt is depressed, labor is vulnerable, and the upper midwest is going the way of South Carolina.

No compelled union dues, as you put it, translates to no unions. It is not possible to make things like taxes or union dues voluntary and expect revenues to come in, that's human nature.

Do you think it is a good thing that we eliminate unions from our country? I don't.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Bert Ernie » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:16 pm

It's somewhat laughable that one could take a look at data and come to the conclusion that Wisconsin is kicking ass in job creation and that we are an economic trend setter and meteor. Folks like Meade simply lose all credibility in the discourse when they try to put lipstick on this kind of pig. Walker's record is crap by most any economic indicator. It's okay to say he's not been stellar thus far Meade! It REALLY is!
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby fisticuffs » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:18 pm

Can;t lose something you never had, Bert.
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Bert Ernie » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:19 pm

.........nah
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Re: Walker, where are those jobs you promised?

Postby Meade » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:22 pm

Huckleby wrote:the upper midwest is going the way of South Carolina[,
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