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On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby snoqueen » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:53 am

Threads with posts that attempt to define one's opponent will be locked.


What does this mean? Examples would help. Ordinarily defining one's opponent, like defining one's target in marketing, would be a sensible move in a debate.

It didn't help any that the first time I read JJ's posting I misread it as "Threads with posts that attempt to defile one's opponent will be locked."

I was thinking if I can't defile my opponents any more what's the point.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby jjoyce » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:56 am

See, liberal socialist progressive communists like you believe the government ought to be handing fivers out to the bums living under Monona Terrace.

Like that.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby fisticuffs » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:58 am

I don't believe in defining your opponent, unlike Ned Flanders.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby Galoot » Tue Apr 23, 2013 12:26 pm

It's a great idea. If what you are doing isn't working, try a different approach.

I'll try to improve the signal/noise ratio over the next few days, but there is no keeping up with kurt, PJ, and Sno.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby ArturoBandini » Tue Apr 23, 2013 1:12 pm

There has probably already been discussion of the structural reasons why threads at TDPF tend to get derailed by side issues or personal beefs, but I missed it in any case. The single-thread nature of the threads here makes it necessary to wallow through pages of crapola to get to the good stuff. If threads could be divided into sub-threads, reddit-style, or if comments could be rated by users and bubbled to the top, it would be easier to identify the good and suppress the bad.

Locking threads without preemptive warning was quite confusing to me. I was participating in several of the locked threads. Had there been an explanation within the thread (not in this thread, after the fact) that explained the locking, that would have been helpful. Without specific examples of the offending behavior, I'm not sure how to adapt my behavior to comply with the demands of the forum authoritator.

I'm probably among the worst of forons when it comes to going down loosely-related rabbit holes that stray from the main topic of the thread. But I feel that this sort of deeper discussion is where better understanding of alternative viewpoints actually occurs. Of course, it's rare to find a person with an opposing viewpoint who is willing to discuss at any depth in good faith, but occasionally it does happen.
jjoyce wrote:See, liberal socialist progressive communists like you believe the government ought to be handing fivers out to the bums living under Monona Terrace.

So, a straw-man argument?
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby Mean Scenester » Tue Apr 23, 2013 3:01 pm

ArturoBandini wrote:Locking threads without preemptive warning was quite confusing to me. I was participating in several of the locked threads. Had there been an explanation within the thread (not in this thread, after the fact) that explained the locking, that would have been helpful.

"Due to our policy of locking threads, this thread has been locked."

ArturoBandini wrote:I'm probably among the worst of forons when it comes to going down loosely-related rabbit holes that stray from the main topic of the thread.

Quoted for posterity.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby HawkHead » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:43 pm

Just saw this thread today and see I am on Warning level [1] whatever that means.

So now appartently a thread where Muslims turned in the Muslims that were planning the Canadian train job is too sensitive.

And a thread, which by the way "conservative" posters hammered school teachers as Union Thugs last year, cannot be started to show that Unions can do amazing things not work related at all. But once again that is just too much and not allowed here.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby HawkHead » Tue Apr 23, 2013 4:47 pm

This is kind of like the ref-ing at the NCAA BBall Championship. The refs basically let everything go.

And then the one big call they make the Michigan player had a perfect block on a slam attempt by the Louisville player.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby Stebben84 » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:19 pm

Its about starting a thread that will clearly turn into a flame war. Especially with union thug in the title. There is no point in that.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby snoqueen » Tue Apr 23, 2013 5:23 pm

Like you, I regret not being able to discuss the Canadian train thing, which is as I write being reported on NPR News. And I wanted to finish talking about the storage of anhydrous ammonia in urban areas once we discovered the Royster property, which is about half a mile from where I am right now, had the substance on site as recently as 2000. Where else in Madison are large amounts of hazardous substances stored? I am assuming the fire department has a list but I haven't found it (yet) and I'd think people near such sites would want to know and ought to have emergency plans in place.

So I agree, something has been lost here and I am being specific about exactly what.

And I hope that thought is on-topic for On-Topic Week.

Also, what do you bet Madison Newspapers runs a story on hazardous substances near residential areas in the next two weeks?
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby jjoyce » Tue Apr 23, 2013 6:51 pm

It's actually about wanting the board to be one thing, and not another.

If you want to write whatever you want, whenever you want, allow me to recommend:

wordpress.com
tumblr.com
twitter.com
facebook.com
blogger.com
posterous.com
livejournal.com
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby pjbogart » Tue Apr 23, 2013 7:38 pm

jjoyce wrote:If you want to write whatever you want, whenever you want, allow me to recommend:


I think that's unfair, Jason. Not to flog a dead horse, but a thread about the bombing plot on a Canadian Railway seems like a pretty big story. If the reason you don't want such things explored is because people get excitable, angry, and eventually devolve into raving lunatics who see terrorists behind every tree in their neighborhood, then get rid of those people.

If you don't want us to write about whatever piques our fancy, perhaps we should be given assignments. I'll go ahead and take "getting drunk", "eating cheese curds" and "not doing my dishes". I'm not sure if those are good topics for The Daily Page, but it never occurred to me that there were many rules, if any.

Or start a new topic called "Flame Wars" where we could have scintillating conversations like "Why is pjbogart such an asshole?"

I do like the idea of demanding that people stay on topic, but I also understand that policing the board is a colossal waste of time and energy. I guess I don't have a solution for that. Sometimes "feeding the trolls" and "making sure the trolls don't gain a foothold" are one in the same.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby HawkHead » Tue Apr 23, 2013 8:13 pm

jjoyce wrote:It's actually about wanting the board to be one thing, and not another.

If you want to write whatever you want, whenever you want, allow me to recommend:

wordpress.com
tumblr.com
twitter.com
facebook.com
blogger.com
posterous.com
livejournal.com


This post would actually mean something if in the last couple of months you hadn't of basically said Meade produced free content and to live with it.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby gargantua » Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:17 pm

So I have an idea, which I would hope won't get me banned. A thread entitled "Off-Topic Thread, presented by not the TDPF".

This thread would be all about NOT being on topic. Sort of a free-association thing and not mean-spirited, if that helps. Kind of a bdog thing, and I mean that in a nice way.
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Re: On-Topic Week, presented by TDP

Postby Remember_Me » Wed Apr 24, 2013 1:27 am

Alright kids, in summary... JJ got fed up with things, issued a directive, we chided him as a result, lumps have been taken, ultimatums and forum alternatives have been listed, and last swipes taken.

Peace and chicken grease and thank-fucking-god the forecast calls for sunny and 70s next week.

Let's move on shall we...
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