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Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Jademan7 » Wed May 01, 2013 1:25 pm

Robin Vos is much more of an embarrassment to himself, his party, and the State of WI than the UW.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby WestSideYuppie » Wed May 01, 2013 6:11 pm

Let's compare:

Both the UW and the Legislature have jobs to do. The UW is well regarded nationally in education, and is world class in many fields of research. The Legislature has screwed up its job royally, and is a laughingstock of the nation. Attacking the UW has been one of the ways that the Legislature has screwed up.

Both the UW and the Legislature are supposed to have transparent operations. Some issues have emerged about UW's financial books. The Legislature has repeatedly conducted state business behind closed doors and violated open meetings and records laws.

Ethics: Both the UW and the Legislature are obligated to conduct their affairs ethically. But the Legislature has authority over the UW, and thus should hold itself to a higher ethical standard before pointing fingers at others.

With that said, if there were anything to be embarrassed about, I'd be more embarrassed about the UW, because I already had low expectations about the Legislature.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Steve Vokers » Wed May 01, 2013 6:22 pm

I nominate WEDC as the biggest embarrassment.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby snoqueen » Wed May 01, 2013 10:45 pm

Both the UW and the Legislature are supposed to have transparent operations. Some issues have emerged about UW's financial books. The Legislature has repeatedly conducted state business behind closed doors and violated open meetings and records laws.


It's also becoming apparent certain members of the Legislature can't read a financial report to save their lives, which doesn't exactly give us confidence in their financial judgment.

Which a lot of us didn't have anyway.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Uncle_Leaver » Thu May 02, 2013 3:32 pm

UW Hospital saved my life. Literally.

I could make a compelling argument that a certain faction of the state legislature under the guidance of their uber-goon executive helped put me there.

This isn't even a contest.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:24 am

Robin Vos is at it again, attacking basic research at UW.

UW-Madison researchers react to Robin Vos' 'ancient mating habits of whatever' remark

It may come as no surprise that state Republican leaders, in the flush of electoral victory, are targeting University of Wisconsin funding in the next legislative session. But the scorn for the university evident in Assembly Speaker Robin Vos’ post-election remarks struck some observers.

Vos, who led an assault on university officials over fund reserves last year and backed Gov. Scott Walker’s tuition freeze, said this week that he wants to ensure that faculty at the university spend more time teaching and that research ought to be geared toward helping the state's economy.

“Of course I want research, but I want to have research done in a way that focuses on growing our economy, not on ancient mating habits of whatever,” said Vos. “So we want to try to have priorities that are focused on growing our economy.”

Researchers at UW-Madison are focusing their responses to Vos’ remarks on how the university already boosts the state economy through research and places a high priority on quality teaching.

“Research conducted here at UW-Madison already brings a very big economic boost to the area, on the order of $1 billion a year," Steve Ackerman, associate vice chancellor for research in the physical sciences, said of the influx of mostly federal grant money to the campus.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Sandi » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:58 am

“Research conducted here at UW-Madison already brings a very big economic boost to the area, on the order of $1 billion a year," Steve Ackerman, associate vice chancellor for research in the physical sciences, said of the influx of mostly federal grant money to the campus.


Brings in money from fedral tax dollars. How useless.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:14 pm

Wisconsinites pay out more money in federal taxes than we receive in federal grants. Why do you oppose getting back more of our tax dollars?
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby nutria » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:24 pm

Sandi wrote:Brings in money from fedral tax dollars. How useless.


Amazing. It's like you're playing the "What's the Most Stupid I Can Put into the Fewest Words" game.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Steve Vokers » Sat Nov 08, 2014 12:32 pm

nutria wrote:
Sandi wrote:Brings in money from fedral tax dollars. How useless.


Amazing. It's like you're playing the "What's the Most Stupid I Can Put into the Fewest Words" game.


Hey now, government doesn't create jobs. Fox News told me so.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Sandi » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:16 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:Wisconsinites pay out more money in federal taxes than we receive in federal grants. Why do you oppose getting back more of our tax dollars?


Because taking it out of our left pocket and putting it in our right pocket is rather pointless. If states didn't get the federal tax dollars, states wouldn't have to do tricks like trained seals to get some of their own back.

2 + 2 - 4 = 0
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 08, 2014 3:29 pm

What kind of seal tricks did UW researchers have to do to get federal funding? Details please. Otherwise you are just throwing shit again.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Sandi » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:03 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:What kind of seal tricks did UW researchers have to do to get federal funding? Details please. Otherwise you are just throwing shit again.


Well, as for research (not all federal dollars): Any researcher getting federal funding, university or not, has to do research that has the correct political outcome to receive the grant in the first place. Doesn't matter if it is research for medical, global warming, or the habits of tsetse flies.

As for throwing shit, no need. The ambient smells around here are bad enough.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:11 pm

So you say. But then you know nothing of real research (see climate change thread). All you do is repeat is unsubstantiated right-wing talking points from right-wing websites. Science is not your thing.
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Re: Bigger embarrassment: UW or state legislature

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Sat Nov 08, 2014 4:23 pm

Sandi wrote:Any researcher getting federal funding, university or not, has to do research that has the correct political outcome to receive the grant in the first place.


Repeating lies does not make them true.
You are completely ignorant about how actual research is conducted, so it's mind-boggling that you continue to speak as if you do.

Fact: One of the quickest ways to make a name for yourself in the sciences is to prove via experiment something which flies in the face of conventional wisdom.
Science relishes results which make scientists rethink what they thought they knew. That's how new avenues of research are opened up and how progress is made. If you knew... oh... anything about how science works, you'd know this. The idea that all scientists do is design experiments to confirm what they already (think they) know is one of the most idiotic arrows in the anti-science quiver.
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