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The union thread

Postby penquin » Wed May 01, 2013 12:44 pm

"There is no specific legal requirement that requires employers to let their employees use the restroom"

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That statement, from the executive director of Workplace Fairness, is a great example of why there is still a need for labor unions in America. When Act 10 was passed, many supporters of the law stated that there were plenty of regulations to protect workers and thus there is no need for any safety issues/concerns to be addressed in a contract. They claimed that OSHA and the various regulations/laws are enough to protect workers.

However, that obviously isn't the case...and not just in TN either. Wisconsin has no laws/regulations dealing with breaks&meals for adult workers. (Workers under 18 do have some protection in this regard) I worked in a call center in Madison, taking reservations for a waterpark resort. During the "busy season" employees were told they could not leave their work stations at all during their 5 hour shift, so we had to make sure we went to the bathroom before. Got really tricky when we were scheduled for two shifts in a row. Usual response to any complaints was "Plenty of folks are willing to take your job if you don't want it".

People shouldn't be treated like serfs, thus the need for labor to organize in order to be treated as an equal to the company.
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Re: The union thread

Postby bdog » Wed May 01, 2013 2:51 pm

Place has gotta be packed right now.
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Re: The union thread

Postby Shorty » Wed May 01, 2013 7:42 pm

We need stronger unions, that's for sure. Workers are suffering.
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Re: The union thread

Postby Meade » Wed May 01, 2013 10:14 pm

penquin wrote:the need for labor to organize in order to be treated as an equal to the company.

When labor begins to see itself as equal to the company, it's the beginning of the end of the company. No company; no jobs.
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Re: The union thread

Postby penquin » Wed May 01, 2013 11:57 pm

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Re: The union thread

Postby Meade » Thu May 02, 2013 9:05 am

Read the whole thing, penguin:
[T]here is not of necessity any such thing as the free hired laborer being fixed to that condition for life. Many independent men everywhere in these States a few years back in their lives were hired laborers. The prudent, penniless beginner in the world labors for wages awhile, saves a surplus with which to buy tools or land for himself, then labors on his own account another while, and at length hires another new beginner to help him. This is the just and generous and prosperous system which opens the way to all, gives hope to all, and consequent energy and progress and improvement of condition to all. No men living are more worthy to be trusted than those who toil up from poverty; none less inclined to take or touch aught which they have not honestly earned. Let them beware of surrendering a political power which they already possess, and which if surrendered will surely be used to close the door of advancement against such as they and to fix new disabilities and burdens upon them till all of liberty shall be lost.
http://www.infoplease.com/t/hist/state- ... z2S8yj63EW
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Postby honestkaos » Thu May 02, 2013 4:18 pm

Please support these Madison workers in their fight for a Madison living wage. Go to http://www.captelworkers.org and sign their petition today!
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Re: The union thread

Postby Mad Howler » Sun May 05, 2013 1:15 am

penquin wrote:People shouldn't be treated like serfs, thus the need for labor to organize in order to be treated as an equal to the company.


It troubles me to point out that:
As piss poor as labor has been treated of late (decades),
the current (decades) legislative pass bought by oligarchs should not be sought as a norm.

Methinks something is coming to a head.

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Re: The union thread

Postby Uncle Fester » Tue May 07, 2013 11:51 pm

Shorty wrote:We need stronger unions, that's for sure. Workers are suffering.


Unions only work in tight labor markets. With millions of Americans unemployed, with outsourcing, technology, and an unlimited supply of immigrant workers at the ready, unions are doomed. And unchecked immigration is supported by both political parties. As Ed Abbey said, "Conservatives love their cheap labor; the liberals love their cheap cause."

Say goodbye to unions.
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Re: The union thread

Postby penquin » Thu May 09, 2013 7:58 pm

Meade wrote:Read the whole thing, penguin


Done so even before you posted 'em, and never noticed anything that suggests Lincoln would agree with your "When labor begins to see itself as equal to the company, it's the beginning of the end of the company" opinion.

Uncle Fester wrote:Unions only work in tight labor markets.


Dunno about that. Real tight labor market means that some business owners/CEOS get greedy & cocky and start taking advantage of labor. Workers get too disgruntled for too long and they'll start seeking ways to better their working conditions.

Would've laughed if someone had told me 5 years ago that fast food workers would organize and go on strike...and yet it's happening now across the nation.

Like Howler just said, something is coming to a head.
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Re: The union thread

Postby Uncle Fester » Thu May 09, 2013 9:19 pm

The only thing coming to a head is that 11 million illegal immigrants are about to become citizens. On average they have 10th grade educations and low job skills. Teen unemployment is at 24%. For African American men who drop out of high school more than half are unemployed.

The fast food joints will not be running out of employees any time soon.
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Re: The union thread

Postby Igor » Thu May 09, 2013 9:25 pm

penquin wrote:
Would've laughed if someone had told me 5 years ago that fast food workers would organize and go on strike...and yet it's happening now across the nation.

Like Howler just said, something is coming to a head.


- That the employee's request seems reasonable, and I wish them luck. I feel that they will be hampered by others that will be willing to take their jobs.

- I also think that it is not necessary to pay minors a living wage. I doubt that many 16 year olds are working the Miracle Mile, but a McDonalds in Antigo is a bit different.
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Re: The union thread

Postby Sandi » Thu May 09, 2013 9:28 pm

The only thing coming to a head is that 11 million illegal immigrants are about to become citizens.


According to the draft bill, it would be 30 million over the next decade, plus another 11 million family that they would be able to invite ( 41 million ).
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Re: The union thread

Postby Mad Howler » Thu May 09, 2013 9:46 pm

Nice work Sandi and Festie. It seems you have chosen to try and change the subject of this thread rather than argue with the OP.
Oh well, this seems standard operating procedure.
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Re: The union thread

Postby bdog » Fri May 10, 2013 5:08 am

Howler do you prefer that Sandi and Festie debate the OP on unions as an abstract concept, or do you think the immigrant effect on unions does not exist?

I find the immigration angle more constructive than throwing Abe Lincoln quotes back and forth.
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