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Postby Huckleby » Tue Apr 23, 2013 10:05 pm

damn kicker.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/2 ... 39512.html

The two most oppressed groups in the NFL are gays and kickers, and to many NFL players they are one and the same. I was hoping the first NFL gay guy could be somebody like JJ Watt.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Igor » Tue Apr 23, 2013 11:20 pm

Ironically, the picture makes it look like he is a straight-on kicker, as opposed to soccer-style.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Bludgeon » Sun May 12, 2013 1:25 pm

Huckleby wrote:I was hoping the first NFL gay guy could be somebody like JJ Watt.


Trying... not... to picture................. that.
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Some very specific things, really really really should not happen Huck. Lolollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Huckleby » Sun Feb 09, 2014 10:30 pm

hey! now we're talking - an all american defensive end with solid pro prospects.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ ... story.html

Perfect. I'm glad he came out before the draft. Better than surprising a team.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby kurt_w » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:59 pm

Interesting:

How will news that Michael Sam is gay affect his NFL draft stock?

[...] from a purely football perspective, his decision to come out prior to May's NFL draft will make his path to the league daunting, eight NFL executives and coaches told SI.com.

In blunt terms, they project a significant drop in Sam's draft stock [...]

While none of the executives overtly condemned Sam's decision, their opinions illuminated an NFL culture in which an openly gay player -- from the draft room to the locker room -- faces long odds and a lonely path.

The executives and coaches were granted anonymity by SI.com for their honesty. Their answers were consistently unsparing.

"I don't think football is ready for [an openly gay player] just yet," said an NFL player personnel assistant. "In the coming decade or two, it's going to be acceptable, but at this point in time it's still a man's-man game. To call somebody a [gay slur] is still so commonplace. It'd chemically imbalance an NFL locker room and meeting room."

All the NFL personnel members interviewed believed that Sam's announcement will cause him to drop in the draft. He was projected between the third and seventh rounds prior to the announcement. The question is: How far will he fall?

"I just know with this going on this is going to drop him down," said a veteran NFL scout. "There's no question about it. It's human nature. Do you want to be the team to quote-unquote 'break that barrier?'"

[...]

An NFL assistant coach called Sam's decision "not a smart move," as he said it "legitimately affects [his] potential earnings." It wasn't lost on the NFL executives that former NBA player Jason Collins, who came out last April in a Sports Illustrated story, hasn't been signed by an NBA team this year.

[...]

"There are guys in locker rooms that maturity-wise cannot handle it or deal with the thought of that," the assistant coach said. "There's nothing more sensitive than the heartbeat of the locker room. If you knowingly bring someone in there with that sexual orientation, how are the other guys going to deal with it? It's going to be a big distraction. That's the reality. It shouldn't be, but it will be."
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Huckleby » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:19 pm

An NFL assistant coach called Sam's decision "not a smart move," as he said it "legitimately affects [his] potential earnings."

The stupidity of this statement is breathtaking. It was also not a smart decision for Rosa Parks to sit in the front of the bus - such behaviour can get you a good stomping. There is more to life than narrow, immediate self-interest

Rookie salaries are pretty lousy these days, doesn't really matter that much where Sam-I-Am gets drafted. If he can play rush linebacker, he'll eventually get a nice contract. But there is the interesting possibility that no team ever signs him at all - what a humiliation for the NFL that would be.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:30 pm

Huckleby wrote:
An NFL assistant coach called Sam's decision "not a smart move," as he said it "legitimately affects [his] potential earnings."

The stupidity of this statement is breathtaking. It was also not a smart decision for Rosa Parks to sit in the front of the bus - such behaviour can get you a good stomping. There is more to life than narrow, immediate self-interest.


As a counter: The NFL’s Big Test

Three of the four men had praise for Sam for coming out before the combine. Whatever the reason for Sam’s wanting to make his sexuality public, doing it now allows teams to meet on the issue, discuss it at length and interview him about it. “The big factor here is that the initial storm will come now, and not after he’s drafted, like maybe he was trying to hide it,” one GM said. “That’s a big factor in his favor. Very big.”

As this GM said, if a player makes a bombshell announcement before the combine and allows every team to interrogate him about it, he stands a better chance of the story burning out before the player ever reports to training camp. What could doom the player, he said, would be hiding this when it was likely to come out—either by the player or some other way. Teams do not like surprises. If they knew Sam came out to his team at Missouri last year—which is the word on the NFL street—and then wouldn’t tell teams before the draft, his team could feel betrayed.


The bad part of this all is that there already seems to have been some legitimate questions about his ability to play as an NFL DE given his size. No matter where he ends up being drafted (if at all) his sexuality is going to be considered part of the decision rather than just his playing ability.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Huckleby » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:00 pm

Francis Di Domizio wrote: The bad part of this all is that there already seems to have been some legitimate questions about his ability to play as an NFL DE given his size. No matter where he ends up being drafted (if at all) his sexuality is going to be considered part of the decision rather than just his playing ability.


The guy was all-conference in the SEC. All-conference defensive players in the SEC all get a shot at pro careers. It's true he has to make transition to stand-up linebacker, but he's a top athlete, and a lot of guys have been doing it successfully in recent years. Rush linebackers are precious.

If Sam doesn't get a contract, it is completely for dick licking issues.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Kenneth Burns » Mon Feb 10, 2014 2:18 pm

Huckleby wrote:
An NFL assistant coach called Sam's decision "not a smart move," as he said it "legitimately affects [his] potential earnings."

The stupidity of this statement is breathtaking. It was also not a smart decision for Rosa Parks to sit in the front of the bus - such behaviour can get you a good stomping. There is more to life than narrow, immediate self-interest


I once got in a Twitter tiff with the website that ran this slideshow.

"There's no reason to disclose your sexual orientation to your boss," it says. "It would be a shame if a prejudiced boss used that personal information against you when considering a raise or promotion."

It would be a shame to live in fear that someone is going to out you to your prejudiced boss. Better to be out during the job hunt. I'd rather get passed over in the interviewing process for being gay than get fired for being gay.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby snoqueen » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:05 pm

Statistically speaking it's not likely there are no other gays among the umpteen hundred other men presently under contract in professional football. Don't they realize this?
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Donald » Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:20 pm

If draft picks are based mainly on statistics and a team's need, Sam's sexual orientation is not going to be much of an issue on where he's drafted. I would guess a team with need for his position might dig further by contacting coaches and college teammates to see how Sam and his college team dealt with the issue. I suspect the way he dealt with the issue as a college athlete and as a prospective NFL pick will actually help him in the "character" department. Given past practice of many teams during the draft, though, character doesn't seem to be that big of a factor.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Huckleby » Mon Feb 10, 2014 7:47 pm

I could be wrong, but I expect that the gay thing will end up not hurting his draft position. He potentially is a very valuable player, and the "locker room disruption" factor is wildly overblown, pun intended. The Missouri team adjusted to him just fine.

The packers could really use him to compete with Nick Perry, another d-linemen converted to linebacker. Perry needs to be pushed, if not pushed out.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:17 pm

well at least one team is saying the right thing

snoqueen wrote:Statistically speaking it's not likely there are no other gays among the umpteen hundred other men presently under contract in professional football. Don't they realize this?



Statistically speaking there is a good chance every team has at least one gay player on it's 53 man roster. It's not so much that coaches and GMs don't realize it, as they don't have to talk or think about it as long as the players stay closeted. Plenty of former players have come out after retirement. It seems like a significant number of GM's think they have a locker room full of 12 year olds who won't be able to function if they know a guy they are changing with is gay.

Conversely the reaction from players seems to be the exact opposite. Granted there are probably players who will have an issue, but so far they all seem to be doing the smart thing and keeping their mouths shut. The GOP should take notes.
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby Huckleby » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:21 pm

what scares me is that statistically there is a gay poster in this thread
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Re: Finally, a gay football player, and it's a

Postby O.J. » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:27 pm

Well said, Donte

If an organization is inept to the magnitude of not being able to control things with prior knowledge, how will you handle the unexpected?
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