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Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby newlow » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:20 pm

No, not a Circle Jerks reunion. That already happened.

Lots of static on Facebook about the recently announced Replacements reunion.

I have a love/hate relationship with those TCPunks. Saw them plenty of times back in the day, and while life in my 20s was a blast I have no desire to recreate the experience (besides, Bob's dead and Chris Mars is quite capable of kicking the Worlds ass post-Mats.)

At the risk of sounding like a geezer, what's up with punk rock reunions? Is it broke artists trying to get back what they are due$ (maybe), or get the old ax out of storage and relive some of that stage adoration (maybe), or bring your awesomeness to new fresh ears (maybe), new songs to share (maybe), or what?... the (maybe) questions wether your shit is even gonna smell like a rose? Westerberg deserves a retirement fund.

Die Kreuzen, Flag/Black Flag, Descendents, Killdozer - just a couple of examples. This all just burns of greed and reeks like a dead Eagle(s) reunion.

Bury it and move on I say.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby rabble » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:30 pm

newlow wrote:At the risk of sounding like a geezer, what's up with punk rock reunions?

I may, if I choose, answer your question, but first I must ask: What's the difference between a geezer punk rock reunion and a geezer rock reunion? Or a geezer country reunion?

Okay never mind about the geezer country reunions, that's basically the entire town of Branson.

But all the others, what's the difference? Why are punk geezers supposed to be different from the other geezers?
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby newlow » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:16 pm

Why is it different for an ancient Roger Daltrey to sing "I hope I die before I get old" and a crusty Keith Morris to sing "live fast, die young"??? Great question.

As someone that felt like I was part of the U.S. Hardcore movement I never imagined people lining up at RiotFestivalX to see Milo Has His PhD. or X (BillyZoom's silver hair matches his silver jacket).

People shit on Ian MacKaye and Rollins all the time, but I feel like they have remained pertinent without rolling backwards (can we call it a fakie?) and reuniting Minor Threat and Black Flag (Henry is not on either of the 2013 tours). There is always new music to make.

Sorry Ma I Forgot to Take My Thyroid Pill
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Jun 13, 2013 3:24 pm

I know you haven't mentioned Off in this(or you kinda did) but I happen to like the new shit. Would you consider that a reunion? A lot of what is considered punk these days is crap. Circle Jerks have always been one of my favorite punk bands, so I'm glad to here new stuff coming from them. New Black Flag, meh, not so much.

Never was a big Replacements fan.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby Steve Vokers » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:32 pm

Dudes gotta eat, ya know.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby jjoyce » Thu Jun 13, 2013 4:48 pm

I am a big Replacements fan and I'm with newlow.

I saw Westerberg several years ago at the Barrymore when he couldn't remember all the words (charming part was he had the audience help him out). The crowd was full of aging dudes and the scene was very unlike an actual Replacements show.

The image of this reunion I can't get out of my mind is of an advertising account exec bringing his soap company client to "RIOTFEST" and standing in a roped off VIP area drinking $8 Bud Lights, taking blurry videos with their iPhones. Blech! Meanwhile, the spirit of the Replacements alive in another band playing over at the Empty Bottle, getting weird and refusing to be caught dead at a corporate rock festival.

I'm giving Westerberg the benefit of the doubt on this and assume that he just had so much fun playing with Tommy Stinson while recording the benefit album for Slim Dunlap that they immediately started talking about getting back together. But unless somebody gifts me a ticket, I have no desire to check out anything called RIOTFEST, particularly when the top of the bill is Fall Out Boy and Blink 182.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby The Center Square » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:14 am

Those festivals are simply an old folk's home karaoke.
It’s just doling out $100+ to see some dots on stage befuddle up the classics.
You can't reclaim your youth by seeing that shit. It's Sha-na-na for the Hardcore Generation.
There's a million reasons why those bands to it with each one as unique as the band members themselves; running the entire gambit from midlife/identity crisis, wanting to have some fun/reconnect with old friends, cash, get out of the house, etc…
The end result is usually the same though. - 'Better left remembered' by the audience that’s revisiting them or ‘not like the footage I saw’ for people seeing them for the first time.
There. That was the negative kid in me on all of that.

I enjoyed the crud out of blasting "Sorry Ma…' on my bike home from work yesterday thanks to the new chatter about them reminding me to dig that out.
There. That's the end of the negative kid in me on all of that.

And talking about why Rollins/Mackay do or don't do something is as boring now as it was then.
Shit, there's the kid again…

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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby newlow » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:39 am

The Center Square wrote:And talking about why Rollins/Mackay do or don't do something is as boring now as it was then.
Shit, there's the kid again…


Begin Dave Grohl integrity debate now...

Go kids!

I :twisted: OFF! btw.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby jjoyce » Fri Jun 14, 2013 9:52 am

The thing about Grohl is, he inspired Bob Mould to make his best record since Sugar's Copper Blue.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby depinmad » Fri Jun 14, 2013 11:13 am

The Replacements were not a punk band.

Live festivals ALWAYS suck.

Paul and Tommy onstage together is ALWAYS magic, though I wish they'd find a way to drag Chris back out with them.

I will go if for no other reason than to be able to watch children by the thousands scream while they play Alex Chilton.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby minicat » Fri Jun 14, 2013 4:08 pm

I'm of two minds about these sort of reunions.

The mind that usually wins, though, thinks "why not?"

If these guys want to get together and play, fine. Are some only doing it for crass commercialism? Sure. And they won't be the first punk bands or players to sell out in history.

There's a lot of people who love some of these bands, and either weren't old enough (or alive) to see them at the time, or didn't live in a city that hosted any live music. I grew up on a farm and there was a grand total of zero touring bands who played in the area. Hell, there was no "underground" music available in any form where I grew up: no kids forming bands, no nothing apart from the occasional local chud country cover band show in a bar. While the musical desert I came from may have been more arid than many rural locations, I don't think it's that unusual a situation, either.

I've seen long-dead bands reunite for "real," play great shows and even put out worthwhile new records; and I've seen reunion shows that were crap. I can't think of a single case where I was not at least happy to hear some music I love played by some of its creators. Why prejudge anybody's musical quality or motivation? Nobody's making you pay to go see the shows.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby newlow » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:12 am

The Center Square wrote:And talking about why Rollins/Mackay do or don't do something is as boring now as it was then.


I'll keep flogging because the Flag/Black Flag reunion tours are now going to war with each other: Henry interview from the LA Times. http://blogs.laweekly.com/westcoastsound/2013/06/henry_rollins_interview_black_flag.php?page=3

There are dueling Black Flag reunion groups touring this summer. What are your feelings about the band performing again?

They can spend their summer vacation doing what they want, but to be pushing 60 and playing music that is 30 years old is something I wouldn't want to do this summer. That being said, I went out 10 years ago and took those songs on a brief lap around the world, but that was mission-specific. I took all that money and gave it to the West Memphis Three's attorneys, and that is how the DNA evidence got tested to help free them. We went from L.A. to Tokyo, everyone showed up, and we made a whole bunch of money and I didn't even take a dime.

What these guys [Keith Morris' reunion group, called Flag] are going to do, with that music ... I hope it's good, and I hope people enjoy it, I wish them all the best, but when I was invited to do this and come along, I told them I can't. I can't judge them because it goes against my beliefs and my code. For me to do it, it would not be brave, it would be resting on past laurels. Unless they took all that money to benefit Planned Parenthood or something. Then we can talk, but if it is just to pocket that money, they can go right ahead. I wouldn't want to spend one dime of that money for myself.


Dude is right fuckin on as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby drinkinblackcoffee » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:48 pm

If you got a nice hotel room every night, got the entire band and the roadies paid every night, and got a ton of brand exposure from your own 'Black Flag Reunion Tour', maybe just abstain from commenting on the motives behind someone else's 'Black Flag Reunion Tour'. As I've gotten older, the flaws in Rollins' rationalization of his own behavior become more and more evident.

The last time I saw Greg Ginn, he was playing with an avant-garde jazz band at the Frequency to me and about 5 other people. So yes, money might have something to do with it.

Also, Ginn's avant-garde jazz sucked, as did his post-Flag career. However, Rollins playing Ginn's music ala his Black Flag Reunion Tour was awesome. ALL w/ Keith Morris playing Ginn's music will be awesome, Ginn playing Ginn's music will be awesome. Hopefully they all get paid well, its the least they deserve.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby drinkinblackcoffee » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:03 pm

depinmad wrote:The Replacements were not a punk band.

Live festivals ALWAYS suck.

Paul and Tommy onstage together is ALWAYS magic, though I wish they'd find a way to drag Chris back out with them.

I will go if for no other reason than to be able to watch children by the thousands scream while they play Alex Chilton.


Dear God...

The Replacement were most definitely punk rock.

What other festivals are there to go to besides 'live festivals'?

Paul and Tommy on stage together was almost never magic. If you listen to ten bootlegs, 9.7 of them will be unlistenable.

If you're going to a 'live festival' to hear the closest thing to a hit song the Mats ever had, think they weren't a punk band, and think they'll be 'magic', then I'm going just to watch the expression on your face change a few notes in. It will probably be awful, but brilliantly awful.
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Re: Reunion Circle Jerk

Postby jjoyce » Tue Jun 18, 2013 4:42 pm

Replacements: Punk or not punk?

I graduated from high school in 1988 and the punk kids at my suburban Minneapolis high school were more likely to represent Husker Du on their jackets than the Replacements. Suicide Commandos were more their scene. I was decidedly NOT punk, but enjoyed the Replacements. But if my friends and I ventured into the city to buy records at Oar Folk, the punks there would practically sneer at us.

I've always thought of the Replacements' classification as post-punk, if anything. They sort of came along when New Wave did, right? They weren't very political, didn't go in for keyboards or horns (until later) and you're not going to find any chains or studs or piercings or mohawks in their aesthetic. And by the mid-80s, punk was mostly aesthetic, right? Hardcore was a better term for the actual music.
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