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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Wed Jul 17, 2013 10:31 am

Ned Flanders wrote:Gee, I have no idea...


Yet more support for Donald's theory of conservative dementia.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:45 am

Obamacare is going to go into effect in a matter of months. Although it will be an incomplete roll-out, there will be no train wreck. Mainly what is going to happen is people will have new options to acquire health insurance. Actually, that is about ALL that is going to happen. People like having new options and opportunities.

FOX News is in desperation mode, the daily Obamacare alerts are a sign of their despair. Very soon the Republican scare machine will be a train wreck. The good guys are WINNING!

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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:57 am

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%

There will be good and bad news to come out of Obamacare. But the big news is that 90% of people will be largely unaffected, their health care (or sometimes lack thereof, thank you G.O.P. govs) is going to continue as before. There will be no death panels, no government coming between you and your doctor, no sharp shortage of doctors.

It will be nice knowing that if you lose your job their will be AFFORDABLE options to continue health insurance, regardless of whether you land on your feet or not. Plus it will be very nice knowing that you can't be rejected for pre-existing conditions.

Obamacare is going to take about 5 years to really get implemented and become accepted. We're trying to nudge a super tanker in a new direction, as the standard metaphor goes.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby rabble » Wed Jul 17, 2013 12:52 pm

Huckleby wrote:Obamacare is going to take about 5 years to really get implemented and become accepted. We're trying to nudge a super tanker in a new direction, as the standard metaphor goes.

And the GOP has a plethora of Joseph Hazelwoods milling about.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Wed Jul 17, 2013 5:18 pm

Fraud fear raised in California's health exchange

SACRAMENTO (AP) -- As California prepares to launch its health care exchange, consumer groups are worried the uninsured could fall victim to fraud, identity theft or other crimes at the hands of some of the very people who are supposed to help them enroll.

The exchange, known as Covered California, recently adopted rules for a network of more than 21,000 enrollment counselors who will provide consumers with in-person assistance as part of the federal Affordable Care Act. In some cases, they will have access to personal and financial information, from ID cards to medical histories.


But the state insurance commissioner and anti-fraud groups say the exchange is falling short in ensuring that the people hired as counselors are adequately screened and monitored.


Insurance Commissioner Dave Jones also said the exchange does not have a plan for investigating any complaints that might arise once the counselors start work. That means consumers who might fall prey to bogus health care products, identity theft and other abuses will have a hard time seeking justice if unscrupulous counselors get hold of their Social Security number, bank accounts, health records or other private information, he said.


"We can have a real disaster on our hands," Jones, a Democrat, said in an interview.
http://www.thereporter.com/rss/ci_23658245
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Sandi » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:33 pm

Health Plan Cost for New Yorkers Set to Fall 50%


I hope the people in New York are not holding their breath.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jul 17, 2013 6:51 pm

Sandi wrote:I hope the people in New York are not holding their breath.


No need. These are actual rates announced for the exchange, no speculation.

Look, there will be some markets or segments where prices might go up. I am not doing any end zone dance over a bit of good news, that would make me as dumb as a FOX.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby jman111 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:21 am

Next up, Ned explains that Obama's socialist school lunch programs risk KILLING OUR KIDS 'cuz, well, look over there!
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:34 am

Those brilliant people at Yahoo are posting this story (originally from Forbes, which is not in general a batshit-insane source):

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... r=yahootix

There are two ways to improve an insurance market that has been wrecked the way New York’s was. The first is to eliminate the market distortions that caused the problem in the first place; for example, by eliminating age-based community rating, so that young people can buy insurance whose price is more closely related to their actual health-care consumption, instead of being asked to pay thousands of dollars more for insurance they don’t need.

The other approach is to do what Obamacare does: to impose an individual mandate that dragoons the healthy into subsidizing the sick, and to subsidize the cost of the inflated health premiums for some low-income individuals, so at least they can afford coverage.


First off, what do they think insurance DOES? It spreads out risk. If it didn't and every person paid only for what he/she used, it wouldn't be insurance at all but rather fee-for-service self-administered.

Second, and maybe of more concern: Yahoo generally aims at a readership fairly young and not necessarily well-informed, and there are a lot of them. Is this demographic totally unable to take a more long-term view (they'll be old someday) or more socially-oriented (they are not the only people on the island, and they could themselves get sick or be in a crash at any time)?

I guess we'll see.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Sandi » Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:59 am

Andrew Pudzer is the chief executive office of CKE Restaurants (Hardee’s) crunches the numbers on Obamacare impact on the company’s employees.

The lowest-paid employees who qualify for ACA coverage (as opposed to Medicaid) earn about $11,500 per year. They would be subject to an initial penalty of $115 and a maximum penalty of $695. We currently estimate that their share of health insurance premiums will be $1,091.55 per year—again, well in excess of any potential penalty. So, in the first year, our employees' insurance costs likely will be four to 10 times more than the ACA's penalty on the uninsured.

This is why I am concerned that the ACA could actually cause the number of our covered employees to decrease, particularly in the first year. The penalty for declining coverage will be low compared with the cost of coverage; and employees will know that if they happen to get sick, they can get insurance after that. So the economically rational decision for young people, like our crew employees, is to pay the penalty and forego the insurance. Despite what the government may believe, our employees are smart enough to figure this out.

For insurers, it's simple math: Premiums collected must exceed claims paid. If too few young healthy people enroll, insurers will raise premiums on those who do. This could result in a spiral of rising premiums—causing more healthy people to drop coverage, driving premiums even higher.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby wack wack » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:09 am

If Andrew Pudzer really cared about the welfare of his employees, he'd pay them more.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby DCB » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:22 am

How am I supposed to get super-fucking-rich selling shitty food if I have to pay my over-worked employees a living wage?
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Henry Vilas » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:25 am

The husband of UW's new chancellor is a conservative think tanker who opposes the Affordable Healthcare Act.

Sounds like a James Carville - Mary Matalin type of marriage.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby snoqueen » Tue Jul 23, 2013 8:28 am

We hope, anyway.
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Re: Obamacare hiccup

Postby Ned Flanders » Tue Jul 23, 2013 10:00 am

The horror!
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