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Detroit goes under.

Postby rabble » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:40 pm

Who's next?

Every city with a cash flow problem is watching this play out.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:00 pm

The Republican screamosphere is of course blaming the whole thing on Democrats because Detroit has, for many years, elected Democratic mayors. In reality once the auto industry quit manufacturing what Americans actually wanted to buy after we got a look at Hondas and Toyotas in the 1980s, it's hard to imagine who or what could have saved the city as it once was. A one-business town, no matter how large, is inevitably more vulnerable than one with a diversified economy. Detroit was the first and largest Rust Belt city to totally collapse, but other very different cities could be halfway down the same path at this moment.

From a legal standpoint this is going to be precedent-setting and dramatic. From a human standpoint it's less amusing. People have been living almost without any public services, and the result isn't some kind of libertarian heaven. It's just a mess. Here's another article linked off the same page describing what's happening now that all tDetroit's vacant buildings have become the target of arsonists while what's left of the fire department cannot respond to calls. One homeowner said his fire insurance went up to $3000/yr while homes around his were getting valued as low as $5000. You'd move away too.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/ ... 6E20130713
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Ned Flanders » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:17 pm

It's the logical outcome of decades of one-party Democrat rule and greedy unions who undercut the value proposition of American automobiles. The pie's only so big and you can't eat the plate.

There's talk of selling off artwork from the museum. Pathetic. Welcome to the third world.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:25 pm

I thought the republican controlled state took it over. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Ned Flanders » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:27 pm

Stebben84 wrote:I thought the republican controlled state took it over. Maybe I'm wrong.

I believe it has become a ward of the state. What else was MI supposed to do?
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Sandi » Thu Jul 18, 2013 8:49 pm

The all Democrat governing class has been a disastrous failure. You would think after decades of liberal policies, the people might be willing to try something different, but they, like all progressives, were willing to ride it right down to the bottom of the barrel.

A couple of years ago a French photographer compiled visually the ruin of Detroit.

Look for Chicago and a few other big all Democrat cities to follow.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Stebben84 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:17 pm

So the Republicans took over and it's the Democrats fault? Please explain.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:34 pm

Would it be possible for you people to understand everything is not caused by political parties, let alone by Democrats? This problem was caused by the collapse of an industry, which was itself caused by a confluence of events some of which include:

-- poor product design and slow response to change by management
-- the rise of foreign competition offering better-designed cars
-- higher fuel prices pushing the buying public to smaller cars
-- a one-industry city with a relatively uneducated workforce

And much more.

I can't see where any of the influences I listed were caused by Democrats or caused by Republicans either. Let's try and take a more balanced view of twentieth century history.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Sandi » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:44 pm

Stebben84 wrote:So the Republicans took over and it's the Democrats fault? Please explain.


I have no idea what you are talking about, and doubt that you do either.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Ned Flanders » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:54 pm

A long list of greedy, criminal, incompetent Democrat mayors ending with FOO Kwame "kill a hooker" Kilpatrick. Worse than the Chicago machine criminals.

Who's next? LA, Philly, Chicago (just got downgraded today), Baltimore...find entrenched Democrats and you'll find misery.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby Ned Flanders » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:02 pm

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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby rabble » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:04 pm

My goodness. A city allows itself to become totally dependent on its only business and then goes bankrupt after that business abandons it.

Must be the fault of the people who governed it after the auto industry bailed.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jul 18, 2013 10:48 pm

Strangely, both Dane County and Madison -- governed in as blue a manner as you can find -- are doing very well fiscally.

Obviously this is because there are only about three Republicans left in the whole county and has nothing to do with a diversified job base, educated employees, good schools, the presence of both the University and state government as major employers, a clean and pleasant physical environment, cultural amenities, and all that foolishness.
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby rabble » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:00 pm

snoqueen wrote:Obviously this is because there are only about three Republicans left in the whole county and has nothing to do with a diversified job base, educated employees, good schools, the presence of both the University and state government as major employers, a clean and pleasant physical environment, cultural amenities, and all that foolishness.

Or white flight, or a slow process that began in the 50's and was given impetus by "government policies that, in the 1970s and 1980s particularly, forced municipalities and states to compete with each other for jobs by offering corporate tax breaks and other inducements to keep or draw business investments, a bit of whipsawing that helped companies profit at the expense of communities."
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Re: Detroit goes under.

Postby penquin » Thu Jul 18, 2013 11:01 pm

This theory that Detroit's demise is the sole fault of the Democratic Party is intriguing. For sake of comparison, would someone be willing to list 3 or 4 major cities (not little towns, but major cities) that have thrived and flourished under GOP leadership?
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