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The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

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The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby pjbogart » Fri Aug 23, 2013 10:17 pm

How will you be celebrating? Personally, I'll be celebrating by sifting through right-wing media to find reports of a black guy killing a white guy. And let's face it, I won't have to sift much, because the crackers are at full tilt. You'd think that the only crime to occur in the last week was black kids killing white guys if you've been tuning into the news.

But murders happen every day, don't they? Has there been a rash of violence over the past week? How come we didn't hear much about the white guy who walked into an elementary school with an AK-47 and 500 rounds of ammunition. Oh, my mistake, he was white, and this week we're only focusing on crimes where black people kill white people. On average there are 40 murders every day in the US. That means that in the past week there have been about 280 murders. But we aren't looking at 278 of them, we're more concerned with the two which involved a black kid killing a white guy. Because that's all that really matters on the eve of Martin Luther King Jr.'s "I have a dream" speech.

Sometimes Republicans cleverly hide their racism, like when they use inaccurate tweets from Allen West (a black man) to justify asking the White House why they aren't commenting on a murder involving three black youths, when there were actually only two black youths. The third youth was white. And I'm not sure that the President has any obligation to address each of the 40 murders that happen in the United States every day. But apparently if a black kid kills a white guy, the President has an obligation to comment, but if he comments on a white guy killing a black kid, he's inserting race into the conversation. Which is what black folks always do, donchaknow? I mean, why is Jesse Jackson ALWAYS there to comment on a black person being murdered, but he never bothers to mention when a black person murders someone? It's his obligation, otherwise he's clearly a racist. Or something.

For the anniversary of "I have a dream" I'll be remembering Trayvon Martin. Because he can teach us a lot about civil rights and the law. For instance, it's OK to murder black people, especially if they're scary black teenagers who once smoked some pot. You can follow them around, chase them through the neighborhood, and if they take a swing at you thinking that you're a creepy cracker, go ahead and shoot them. That's the law.

And if it turns out that only 30 Americans were murdered last night, don't fret. I'm sure if you sift through them you can find one committed by a black kid. And if you're lucky you'll find out that he killed a white guy, which will make you feel really good about pretending that Martin Luther King, Jr. was a fraud. And probably a murderer too.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:02 pm

MLK would be horrified by the state of race relations in the United States and the race-baiting by the likes of Obama, Sharpton and his own Jesse Jackson.

As for the statistics:

"According to the United States Department of Justice, whites accounted for 45.3% of all homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008, blacks accounted for 52.5%, with 2.2% Native Americans and Asians. The offending rate for blacks was almost 8 times higher than whites"

"According to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports, in the year 2008 black youths, who make up 16% of the youth population, accounted for 52% of juvenile violent crime arrests, including 58.5% of youth arrests for homicide and 67% for robbery. Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_c ... ted_States
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby bdog » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:26 am

pjbogart wrote:Ok, so here's the touchy part. African Americans suffer a great deal of institutionalized racism. They are often discriminated against for the color of their skin, something which they have no control over. But would you actually argue that African Americans never do things that cause them to be discriminated against completely independent of their skin color? Do you pull your pants up? Do you tip your waiter? Did you stick around after you got your girlfriend pregnant? Do you hold up the line at PDQ paying for a four pack of Colt 45 and a grape blunt with the nickles you found in your couch cushions? Have you figured out where your turn signal is located? Do you scream at your kids at the top of your lungs in the middle of a grocery store? Did you train your Pitbull by kicking it in the head every time you felt like it? Do you park your car in the middle of the street to talk to friends even though there are four cars behind you?


pjbogart wrote:The point of the screed, which was somewhat angry and frustrated, but not drunken, was that while African Americans experience a great deal of discrimination over traits which they have no control, they seem intent to bash themselves over the head with other traits over which they have perfect control. I'm not giving a job to a kid who can't figure out how to pull up his fucking pants. I don't care if he's white, hispanic, black or purple with green polka dots. Pulling up your pants is not "acting white", it's "respecting societal norms".

While I agree that institutionalized racism is a terribly unfair thing and a great number of otherwise respectable African Americans suffer discrimination for no reason other than the color of their skin, anyone who claims that the black community has no problems other than the way they're treated by whites is obviously not paying attention. I've spent too many years living and working in poor neighborhoods to ignore the obvious.

I didn't vote for Barack Obama because he's black, I voted for him because he was the better candidate.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby pjbogart » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:33 am

Oops. Sorry, bdog. I completely forgot about that thread where I said it was ok to murder black people and how it's important to stir up racial hatred while people are honoring Dr. King's legacy.

That is what I did, isn't it?
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby bdog » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:41 am

Well YOU are not honoring Dr. King's legacy that is certain.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby bdog » Sat Aug 24, 2013 7:46 am

By the way, what is with all these strawman posts lately?

I quoted you word for word. I didn't add my own strawman but you felt it was neccessary to add yours.

Why not just own what you said?
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:17 am

Ned Flanders wrote:MLK would be horrified by the state of race relations in the United States and the race-baiting by the likes of Obama, Sharpton and his own Jesse Jackson.

Ned, are you channeling Dick Cheney. He is noted for taking the worst, indefensible positions of the GOP/conservatives and accusing the Dems/liberals of those faults. King would be appalled by the gutting of the Voter Rights Act, especially in light of the Voter ID laws enacted in Republican controlled statehouses that suppress minority votes, as well as their gerrrymandering of congressional and legislative districts. Also, King would condemn the anti-union push by those on your side of the political aisle. Remember, he was assassinated in Memphis when he went there to support a public workers strike.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Rich Schultz » Sat Aug 24, 2013 8:31 am

Ned Flanders wrote: Black youths were overrepresented in all offense categories except DUI, liquor laws and drunkenness"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_c ... ted_States


This problem of "beer deserts" in the urban environment needs to be addressed. Isn't it about time for the City of Madison to finance a mobile micro brewery to serve the underserved?
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:05 am

Ned, see the post above for race baiting.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby pjbogart » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:18 am

bdog wrote:By the way, what is with all these strawman posts lately?

I quoted you word for word. I didn't add my own strawman but you felt it was neccessary to add yours.

Why not just own what you said?


I'm not backing off what I said in the least. It was true then and it's true now. But my assertion that right-wing media is cherry picking news stories to find some black on white crime in the run-up to this afternoon's MLK march also seems true. Or do you think it's just coincidence?

And I'm not sure what strawman you're referring to. Saying, "young black men would do themselves a favor in job hunting if they'd pull up their pants" is a far cry from the vicious race-baiting we're seeing from the right at the present time. But again, perhaps you think it's just a coincidence that these two stories are front and center in the news. It seems like the story of the troubled young man who went into an elementary school with an AK-47 and 500 rounds of ammunition was a bit more compelling, but Republicans don't seem so interested in that story. Why is that?
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby bdog » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:34 am

pjbogart wrote:And I'm not sure what strawman you're referring to.


Um....

pjbogart wrote: I said it was ok to murder black people and how it's important to stir up racial hatred while people are honoring Dr. King's legacy.


I will take your word for what the right wing is trying to stir up - you follow this stuff much closer than I do.

My point in posting your quotes from the other thread is to remind you and Ned that the two of you have some common ground on race issues. That is a better starting point than polarizing the issue.

Isn't that what Dr. King would have wanted?
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby pjbogart » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:57 am

Bdog, in all seriousness, I don't think either of us can possibly imagine how offensive this news cycle has become to African Americans. A few months after most of the African American community is outraged by the acquittal of George Zimmerman, and a few days before the anniversary of MLK's "I have a dream speech" we see social media and right-wing news outlets making a huge stink about how bad the "black on white" violence is. Think about that for a second. You may in fact agree with the Zimmerman acquittal, but there are a lot of people out there who feel that Americans were basically told that it's OK to stalk, harass and then murder a black teenager. Oh, and by the way, this black on white crime is terrible these days, isn't it?

And the notion that these stories just happen to coincide with today's march on Washington is absurd. Absolutely absurd.

And pointing out that I have a problem with black teenagers not pulling up their pants is insulting. Apples and fucking oranges. Not even in the same ballpark.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Rich Schultz » Sat Aug 24, 2013 10:21 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Ned, see the post above for race baiting.

Gee Henry, I ran it past your imaginary black friend and he thought it was hilarious.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Detritus » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:01 am

Of course, King today would totally be a member of the party that demonizes and disenfranchises minorities, the poor, working folks, immigrants, and women. Also, Milton Friedman was a socialist, Joe McCarthy had the best interests of the American people at heart, Richard Nixon was not a crook, Ronald Reagan balanced the budget, Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

While I'm at it, global warming is a conspiracy by scientists to maintain the flow of their grant money, vaccinations cause autism and abortions cause cancer, assistance to the poor causes poverty and assistance to the unemployed causes unemployment, labor unions are responsible for all the negative changes to our economy, Ayn Rand was a good writer, and the party of Ted Cruz is exactly the same as the party of Lincoln except for all of Lincoln's policies that are now repudiated by right-thinking Americans, which are fairly laid at the feet of the Democrats.

There. Now you don't need to post for the rest of the year, since I've done it for you. No thanks necessary--I do it out of my boundless compassion for us all.
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Re: The 50th Anniversary of "I Have a Dream"

Postby Igor » Sat Aug 24, 2013 12:50 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:, as well as their gerrrymandering of congressional and legislative districts.


Not to cherry pick a statement, but gerrymandering is not confined to the right wing. Even the Dane County board drew districts to put the 8 moderates into only 4 districts.

http://www.slate.com/slideshows/news_and_politics/the-most-gerrymandered-congressional-districts.html
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