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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby rabble » Mon Sep 16, 2013 9:48 pm

It's a pretty good tactic. Get some sound bytes out there now, before the report is released.

It's harder to fight because there's no real report to use for confirmation yet. It gives them more control because they're instigating the 'discussion' and everyone else is reacting to what they say. That lets them get a head start on the buzzwords and talking points. Plus they've taken a hand in setting the tone when the report is finally released. They're not trying for converts, but it does give the already convinced deniers something to cling to when they feel overwhelmed by evidence.

Good tactic. And if I remembers rightly, one that they're pretty fond of.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby DCB » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:13 pm

Another hack at another Murdoch tabloid tries to confused the issue. And again, distorts and misrepresents the science.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/0 ... l-climate/
Yes, Ridley and the WSJ cite the University of Illinois paper to supposedly prove that warming this century will be under 2°C — when the author has already explained to them that his research shows the exact opposite!
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:38 pm

The global warming alarmists should start to taper off their rhetoric. That way it won't be so far to fall: especially when the next IPCC report comes out.

Even the European Climate commissioner ( nice title ) is jumping ship.

"Say that 30 years from now, science came back and said, 'wow, we were mistaken then now we have some new information so we think it is something else'. In a world with nine billion people, even 10 billion at the middle of this century, where literally billions of global citizens will still have to get out of poverty and enter the consuming middle classes, don't you think that anyway it makes a lot of sense to get more energy and resource efficient," she said.

"Let's say that science, some decades from now, said 'we were wrong, it was not about climate', would it not in any case have been good to do many of things you have to do in order to combat climate change?."


I certainly agree with her "get more energy and resource efficient," but it needs to be cost effective. Not dumb stuff like carbon credits, or carbon taxes which will tax heavily the poor, and do little to save resources.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby jman111 » Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:10 pm

Jumping ship?
In what meaning of the expression?

Regardless, from Sandi's link(s):
Connie Hedegaard's comments come as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is expected to admit that previous scientific predictions for global warming and the effects of carbon emissions have been proved to be inaccurate.


And exactly how inaccurate were those predictions, apparently?
The “summary for policymakers” of the report, seen by the Mail on Sunday, states that the world is warming at a rate of 0.12C per decade since 1951, compared to a prediction of 0.13C per decade in their last assessment published in 2007.

Scandalous!
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby rabble » Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:47 pm

jman111 wrote:
The “summary for policymakers” of the report, seen by the Mail on Sunday, states that the world is warming at a rate of 0.12C per decade since 1951, compared to a prediction of 0.13C per decade in their last assessment published in 2007.

Scandalous!

That's why they've got to get these accusation out there before the paper is published. Before the numbers are carved in stone.

They have to keep humping with all those "backing off," "lower rate," "pause in warming" sound bytes NOW, before phrases like "predicted warming rate was off by .01C" and "Arctic ice increase caused by new wind patterns" have a chance to gain any ground.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby DCB » Wed Sep 18, 2013 11:29 am

The Denieralists have a well-funded propaganda machine, and have no problem with making up whatever bullshit sells.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:51 pm

DCB wrote:The Denieralists have a well-funded propaganda machine, and have no problem with making up whatever bullshit sells.


Posting with absolutely nothing to say is common trollish behavior.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 12:56 pm

Sandi wrote:Posting with absolutely nothing to say is common trollish behavior.


Like this.

Sandi wrote:pjbogart uses a hell of a lot of words to say nothing at all. Prof. Wagstaff apparently just wants to change the subject.


And you realize the irony in your troll post don't you?
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:00 pm

Someone who never finished high school and has a very limited understanding of the scientific method, but buys into all the right wing talking points to deny that science, then calls others trolls when she is called out for her ignorance.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby DCB » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:12 pm

Sandi wrote:
DCB wrote:The Denieralists have a well-funded propaganda machine, and have no problem with making up whatever bullshit sells.


Posting with absolutely nothing to say is common trollish behavior.

I came up a funny term for willfully ignorant people like you, shouldn't that count for something?
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:24 pm

Stebben84 wrote:
Sandi wrote:Posting with absolutely nothing to say is common trollish behavior.


Like this.

Sandi wrote:pjbogart uses a hell of a lot of words to say nothing at all. Prof. Wagstaff apparently just wants to change the subject.


And you realize the irony in your troll post don't you?

No not like that. :(

However if my attempt to point trollish behavior makes me a troll, so does your attempt make you a troll. :)
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Stebben84 » Wed Sep 18, 2013 1:31 pm

DCB wrote:I came up a funny term for willfully ignorant people like you, shouldn't that count for something?


Hope you don't mind I sent that to the Urban Dictionary. I've been trying to come up with a counter word to Warmenists and you beat me to it.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby DCB » Wed Sep 18, 2013 4:18 pm

sounds good.

James Hansen's latest conclusion: its going to get very warm, and we won't be able to adapt.
However, human-made warming will occur in a few centuries as opposed to several millennia, in the PETM, thus providing little opportunity for evolutionary dwarfism to alleviate impacts of global warming. We conclude that the large climate change from burning all fossil fuels would threaten the biological health and survival of humanity, making policies that rely substantially on adaptation inadequate.

...
It seems implausible that humanity will not alter its energy course as consequences of burning all fossil fuels become clearer. Yet strong evidence about the dangers of human-made climate change have so far had little effect. Whether governments continue to be so foolhardy as to allow or encourage development of all fossil fuels may determine the fate of humanity.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby DCB » Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:09 pm

So, this happened:
In the first airing of Obama's climate plan, a hearing of the House of Representatives was told the Environmental Protection Agency and other government agencies were already authorised to bring in new measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.
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Obama moved to bypass Republicans in Congress to act on climate change in a speech last June directing the federal government to use its existing authority to cut greenhouse gas emissions by 17% and protect Americans from future climate change.

He was trying to get around the crazy people. Sadly, the crazy people showed up.
About a dozen members of the House energy committee deny the science behind climate change, and those contrarian views were on full display on Wednesday.


One of the crazy people is Rep. McKinley. He said a lot of stupid things.
A duly-elected Representative from West Virginia sits on the House Subcommittee for Energy and Power, and can make easily-disproven and frankly ridiculous statements like that, empowered by the kind of error-riddled articles published by the likes of The Mail,
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby pjbogart » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:19 am

Popular Science switches off trolls

In a bold attempt to pursue actual science, Popular Science has moved away from comments sections following its articles. It's a very short read but it doesn't really need much fleshing to get to the gist. Oooh... and a shout-out to the University of Wisconsin, too. Icing.

For this reason, the magazine thought it was better for science to kill off the comments completely.

Some of this has to do with politics. A politically motivated, decades-long war on expertise has eroded the popular consensus on a wide variety of scientifically validated topics, the magazine said.

As a result the public mistakenly thinks that everything, from evolution to the origins of climate change, is up for grabs again.

Scientific certainties are another thing for two people to "debate" on television, the magazine moaned.

The comments sections tend to be a grotesque reflection of the media culture surrounding them, the cynical work of undermining bedrock scientific doctrine is now being done beneath the magazine's stories, the site said.
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