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Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby manoletters » Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:23 pm

My dad, who did a lot of civil rights work and humanitarian activities in Mississippi during the late '60s and early '70s, remembers a time when little kids in the Delta region displayed the distended bellies and listless attitude symptomatic of rickets, a syndrome caused by malnutrition. Is this what we're headed towards again in this land of plenty? What say you? Once thing that's certain: Starvation in America is a wholly preventable disease!
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Re: Repubs show their compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Bwis53 » Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:05 pm

So much for the "sanctity of life"! Restrict abortion but don't feed 'em once they're here.
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Re: Repubs show their compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Rich Schultz » Fri Nov 01, 2013 7:06 pm

Democrats Protest $5 Billion Food Stamp Cut They Voted For

"But the cut, which will reduce monthly benefits for all 47 million Americans enrolled in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program by roughly 7 percent, is happening thanks mainly to Democratic votes that hastened the demise of a benefit increase from the 2009 stimulus bill."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/food-stamp-cuts_n_4173942.html
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Re: Repubs show their compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby pjbogart » Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:13 pm

Just to be clear, the cuts to the food stamp program are simply a rollback to pre-stimulus levels. Certainly one can make the argument that the economy is still very weak and those additional benefits should have been extended, but let's not affirm the Republican accusation that any benefit, once conferred, can never be taken away.
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Re: Repubs show their compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Donald » Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:16 am

pjbogart wrote:Just to be clear, the cuts to the food stamp program are simply a rollback to pre-stimulus levels. Certainly one can make the argument that the economy is still very weak and those additional benefits should have been extended, but let's not affirm the Republican accusation that any benefit, once conferred, can never be taken away.

The economy is getting better, but that doesn't necessarily mean the economy at the lower end of the income spectrum is getting better. There historically is some lag or disconnect between the economy as a whole, and what people at the lower end of income experience. People at the lower end are usually the first fired and the last hired, so how a middle class family experiences a downturn and a recovery is not the same as a low income family.

Let's not fall into the trap of thinking Republicans are being realistic by not extending SNAP benefits. Republicans who think up their talking points tend to live a life disconnected from the realities of most people, particularly those in the lower middle and lower income brackets. Their "solutions" often lack any touch with the reality of folks not in upper income.
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Re: Repubs show their compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby gargantua » Sat Nov 02, 2013 11:20 am

pjbogart wrote:Just to be clear, the cuts to the food stamp program are simply a rollback to pre-stimulus levels. Certainly one can make the argument that the economy is still very weak and those additional benefits should have been extended, but let's not affirm the Republican accusation that any benefit, once conferred, can never be taken away.

I agree. Perhaps the benefits could be extended for another year, and then see where we are.
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Re: Repubs show their compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby snoqueen » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:03 pm

As a stimulus, I think it was (is) a high-quality, high-return one. All the money that goes to food stamps go straight back into the local economy via a grocery store or other food outlet that employs local labor and many times sells local produce. It's not saved in a bank or under a mattress. In addition, it assists the elderly, disabled, and children: people whose situation is not their own fault and who have few other choices.

In contrast, money given to WEDC goes who-knows-where, since an accounting is missing. Was it banked? Did it go out of state? Did it help somebody buy a private plane? We have no idea how many jobs it created, if any. It assisted those who already have plenty of choices and are unlikely to be going hungry anytime soon. Their grocery bills were already covered, as were their utilities, mortgage, and transportation expenses. That represents a lower-quality stimulus with either low or undocumented return to the taxpayer.

We need to have a better measure for reckoning the quality of a stimulus dollar. All are not equal in effect or efficiency.
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Re: Repubs show their compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby manoletters » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:27 pm

Rich Schultz wrote:Democrats Protest $5 Billion Food Stamp Cut They Voted For

"But the cut, which will reduce monthly benefits for all 47 million Americans enrolled in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program by roughly 7 percent, is happening thanks mainly to Democratic votes that hastened the demise of a benefit increase from the 2009 stimulus bill."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/29/food-stamp-cuts_n_4173942.html

Yes, it's true that the democrats in question approved the rollback to pre-stimulus levels you speak of. So I've changed the subject name to reflect that fact. But House Republicans are intent on imposing $39 billion in further reductions, ASAP. Anyway, the real problem is that poor people are so self-indulgent and unreasonable they insist on eating every day, instead of once a week. Now that's a privilege that in these austere times must be strictly reserved for the middle and upper classes!
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Re: Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:59 pm

The same farm bill in which food stamps are included also contains the sugar subsidy, where our government spends hundreds of millions to prop up the price and reward the four large sugar producing families in our southern states. Will the GOP controlled House reduce that wasteful spending?

Millions of dollars go to lobbying to keep U.S. sugar program afloat.
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Re: Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Sandi » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:08 pm

manoletters wrote:Anyway, the real problem is that poor people are so self-indulgent and unreasonable they insist on eating every day, instead of once a week. Now that's a privilege that in these austere times must be strictly reserved for the middle and upper classes!


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Re: Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:09 pm

You know that food stamps can't be used for tobacco or booze, don't you?
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Re: Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Sandi » Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:50 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:You know that food stamps can't be used for tobacco or booze, don't you?


Officially they cannot be. In practice they can and often are used. Some store owners are just happy for the business.
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Re: Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:06 pm

So what is your point? Are you in favor of ending the increase in food stamps? If so, why?
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Re: Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby snoqueen » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:08 pm

I don't know how old that photo is, but food stamps aren't actual stamps any more. They issue the recipients a card that works more or less like a credit card. What is bought with that card can be audited.

If that liquor store is selling food products acceptable to the SNAP program, it's perfectly legal.

Now, I'm among the minority who thinks "nonnutritious edibles" (for lack of a better term) should be excluded from SNAP. By that I mean candy, chips, soda, and the like. That's a whole different discussion, though. For now, nobody is likely to get away with buying or selling liquor on the SNAP program for long.

The wealthy sugar interests would never allow the exclusion of sweets, basically, and the sugar subsidies are part of the deal with the devil that is the legislation in question. Sweets OK, rum not OK. Such is our history.
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Re: Repubs (and Dems) show compassion by cutting food stamps

Postby wack wack » Sat Nov 02, 2013 3:33 pm

Sandi wrote:
Henry Vilas wrote:You know that food stamps can't be used for tobacco or booze, don't you?


Officially they cannot be. In practice they can and often are used. Some store owners are just happy for the business.


Proving once again that the problem is business, not government.
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