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Judge Doyle Square

Postby Stu Levitan » Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:37 pm

Prepping interview with Adam Plotkin, chair of the Judge Doyle Square Committee, and Ald. Dave Ahrens, a critic of the potential hotel. Anybody got any questions?
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Re: Judge Doyle Square

Postby snoqueen » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:34 pm

Can anybody find examples where a city demographically similar to Madison, in a cold climate, built a convention center and were able to keep it even partially independent and solvent by propping it up with expensive hotels?

Word that one any way you prefer. What I want is some kind of precedent that shows throwing good money after bad actually helped a city turn a money toilet of a convention center around, relieving the city of at least part of the endless subsidies and other financial burdens caused by the center in the first place.

(Overbuilt sports facilities count too.)

What would be the financial impact of scaling back expectations for the convention center, supporting it at a more modest level, and keeping our valuable downtown real estate available for other private projects, perhaps several smaller ones that would spread the risk around in a more conservative manner?
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Re: Judge Doyle Square

Postby gargantua » Wed Feb 05, 2014 12:43 pm

I second Sno's suggestions. I would add, is it realistic to think that anything can be done to alter (meaning downsize) this project in any meaningful way? I'm asking because it doesn't seem like the primary decision-makers are amenable to that....with the possible exception of the Mayor.
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Re: Judge Doyle Square

Postby Andy Olsen » Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:36 pm

For Adam:

1) In an email to the Council and your committee the week before the committee voted to finish it's work*, the Mayor said:
“Most importantly, we need to analyze the benefits of the project to the public.” This demonstrates the benefits to the public were not previously analyzed.

a) Why did public benefits come up at the end of the process, as an afterthought?
b) Why did the committee make a recommendation without having this information?
c) How did the committee recommendation reflect public benefits?


* - January 29, 2014.
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Re: Judge Doyle Square

Postby Mad Howler » Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:12 am

Andy Olsen wrote:For Adam:

1) In an email to the Council and your committee the week before the committee voted to finish it's work*, the Mayor said:
“Most importantly, we need to analyze the benefits of the project to the public.” This demonstrates the benefits to the public were not previously analyzed.

a) Why did public benefits come up at the end of the process, as an afterthought?
b) Why did the committee make a recommendation without having this information?
c) How did the committee recommendation reflect public benefits?


* - January 29, 2014.


Whoa! That is how it begins to get done.
Thank you for bringing some notion of kratos to the demos.
This is a complicated struggle,
People being funny animals - and all.
It seems it is a good time to re-assess what WE consider virtuous.
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Re: Judge Doyle Square

Postby mancl » Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:04 pm

The whole notion that there is a need for any type of hotel has no basis in fact. As reported by Isthmus months ago a survey by the Convention and Visitors Bureau showed the main reason people don't choose to come to Madison for their meetings is the weather- imagine that!- and the difficulty of airline access. Hotel related issues are way down the list.

Even, for the sake of arguement, there is a problem with hotel rooms being too far away, wouldn't it be far cheaper to have a shuttle bus when the big conventions come to town. Maybe the promoters could have a little fun with it- have the driver dress up as Frank Lloyd Wright for example, or Ms. Forward.

Just because a few alders like the idea this still has to be approved by a majority of the Council- contact you alder and let them know you oppose this boondoggle
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Re: Judge Doyle Square

Postby Andy Olsen » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:43 pm

Hey, folks. Dave Cieslewicz has a post up about the project, here:
http://www.thedailypage.com/isthmus/art ... 2065598493

Someone (else) could write comments there or something.
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Re: Judge Doyle Square

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Feb 08, 2014 3:48 pm

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