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97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:32 am

A lot of long, rambling, incoherent posts from jfh yesterday. He must be in the manic phase of his bipolar affliction.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby johnfajardohenry » Mon Feb 10, 2014 8:43 am

snoqueen wrote:He thinks you do climate research the same way you do medical research: double-blind studies, studies with a control group receiving a placebo, stuff like that.


I find this note a bit odd.

Sounds like you agree that one is science and the other sorcery.

Sounds like you are also upset to have that pointed out.

Have a pleasant day.

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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby rabble » Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:14 am

johnfajardohenry wrote:
snoqueen wrote:He thinks you do climate research the same way you do medical research: double-blind studies, studies with a control group receiving a placebo, stuff like that.


I find this note a bit odd.

Sounds like you agree that one is science and the other sorcery.

Well, of course it would sound that way to you. Which is much of the problem.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby jman111 » Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:26 am

I totally understand where ol' JH is going with this.

Ya see, since automation can cause errors, we shouldn't trust anything from a self-proclaimed wizard who supports automation. It naturally follows that anyone who believes anything from this "wizard" is a fool.

Amiright?
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby kurt_w » Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:48 am

The "biomedical" research paradigm (double-blind experiments, etc.) isn't widely used in most other scientific fields. It's often not feasible and not necessary.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:00 pm

kurt_w wrote:The "biomedical" research paradigm (double-blind experiments, etc.) isn't widely used in most other scientific fields. It's often not feasible and not necessary.


No, no, JH is right, we need to find a suitable test planet to use in comparison. I nominate Mars.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby HawkHead » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:01 pm

kurt_w wrote:The "biomedical" research paradigm (double-blind experiments, etc.) isn't widely used in most other scientific fields. It's often not feasible and not necessary.


Boy, gravity may know that you are watching and the only way to make sure he isn't pulling one over on you is to do a double blind study.

It's the only way to be sure!
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Detritus » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:27 pm

This reminds me of the old jokes about final exam questions in different disciplines. The one for cosmology was something like "Explain the universe, providing two examples."
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Galoot » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:54 am

Kurt_w, I'm sure you are busy, but you ought to take a look at the NPR stories and their comments. A group of deniers has invaded there and is trying to turn it into Yahoo News Comments. Unfortunately, whoever moderates at NPR doesn't seem to want to do much about preserving their credibility. They ought to do what Popular Science did and just shut down comments on any articles about the changing climate.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Francis Di Domizio » Mon Feb 17, 2014 11:57 am

Galoot wrote:Kurt_w, I'm sure you are busy, but you ought to take a look at the NPR stories and their comments. A group of deniers has invaded there and is trying to turn it into Yahoo News Comments. Unfortunately, whoever moderates at NPR doesn't seem to want to do much about preserving their credibility. They ought to do what Popular Science did and just shut down comments on any articles about the changing climate.


Since when is the credibility of a news source damaged by the drivel in the comments section?
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Galoot » Mon Feb 17, 2014 12:21 pm

Fair point, but Popular Science certainly cared enough about it to turn of all commenting on climate stories.

The reason they gave was not an issue of their scientific credibility per se, but that they wanted to avoid giving a platform to the denialists. They though the credibility of Popular Science lent some credibility to the comments being posted, thus giving the illusion that there was an actual scientific debate on the issue of AGW.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:55 pm

Galoot wrote:They ought to do what Popular Science did and just shut down comments on any articles about the changing climate.


Yes, of course. That way there will be no light shed on embarrassing facts to ruin theories and climate models.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Henry Vilas » Mon Feb 17, 2014 1:56 pm

So now your claiming that your denials are fact based?
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Detritus » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:20 pm

Sandi wrote:
Galoot wrote:They ought to do what Popular Science did and just shut down comments on any articles about the changing climate.


Yes, of course. That way there will be no light shed on embarrassing facts to ruin theories and climate models.

Which are most likely to appear in comments posted pseudonymously on the Internet, rather than in, say, peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Shit, if I had known science was that easy, I would have skipped the PhD and spent that time coming up with a really clever handle, and posting comments on random news sites.
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Re: 97% Scientist Consensus: global warming is man-made

Postby Sandi » Mon Feb 17, 2014 2:22 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:So now your claiming that your denials are fact based?


No they are science based. Do you know the difference?
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