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Israelis using pig lard to ward off suicide bombers

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Should we set up some pig lard in Madison just in case?

Sure, why not? But buy it all locally as a "pork barrel project"
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Israelis using pig lard to ward off suicide bombers

Postby Mike S. » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:13 am

This is funny so many ways... ultra Orthodox Jews seek permit to load water pistols with liquid lard?


Israeli police are considering using bags of pig lard in buses and Other places to deter Muslim suicide bombers, Maariv reported today. The Proposal received the Jerusalem rabbinate's approval.

The police's suggestion is based on the fact that strict Muslim Tradition holds that any Muslim who comes in contact with a pig before dying will Be denied access to heaven.

Previously, Minister without portfolio Gideon Ezra (Likud) and others suggested burying the corpses of suicide bombers wrapped in pigskin as a deterrent. The proposal never got serious consideration in Israel, with opponents suggesting that it would only serve to encourage suicide bombers, egged on by clerics stating that Jews were defiling Islamic burial rites.

Russian security forces reportedly buried Chechen terrorists in pigskin Last year in attempts to end their suicide bombing attacks.

Israeli police have considered using pigs, or pig products to ward offterrorism in the past, but needed a rabbinical permit to carry it out, as Judaism, like Islam, regards the pig as an unclean animal, Maariv
reported.

Rabbi Eliezer Moshe Fisher, of the Jerusalem Rabbinical Court, ruled yesterday that "there is no Halachic ban on using bags of lard in buses and other places" when saving lives is concerned. The Halachic permit says bags of lard may be used in any place that might be a target for suicide bombings, such as schools, shopping malls and railway stations.

The rabbi also said that if the police do not use pig fat in buses, tens of thousands of ultra-Orthodox Jews will arm themselves with toy water pistols filled with liquid lard to be used against terrorists, Maariv reported.

"If bags of pig lard will prevent zealous Moslem terrorists from carrying out attacks, I'm all for it," said Deputy Internal Security Minister Ya'acov Edri (Likud) in response to the plan.

In October, former Chief Rabbi Mordehai Eliyahu and Kiryat Arba's Chief Rabbi Dov Lior gave their endorsement to a proposal to test the use of Wild pigs in detecting terrorist infiltrators and explosives in West Bank communities.

"Boars could be better than dogs in finding mines and explosives," said a former trainer of sniffer dogs.

"The prohibition of raising the pig is known," said Rabbi Daniel Shilo of Kedumim, who serves as chairman of the rabbinical committee of the Yesha Council of Jewish Communities in Judea, Samaria and the Gaza Strip. "But because we are dealing with pikuach nefesh, the saving of lives, it is permissible to have the animal."

http://web.israelinsider.com/bin/en.jsp ... Version=0&

Rabbis OK Israeli police plan to use pig lard to ward off suicide bombers

By Ellis Shuman February 12, 2004

reencountered at http://www.russia.com/forums/showthread ... tid=234879
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Postby dogmeat » Fri Jan 07, 2005 4:54 am

If pig lard stops suicide bombers, then good. It sounds like a silly idea at first glance, but it could be quite effective. They motivate the bombers with tales of heaven. Their reward for killing innocent civilians is a wonderful heaven full of virgins. If they believe that contact with pig lard keeps them from heaven, then this could reduce their supply of morons eager to die.

It's still pretty funny though.
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Postby ShaneDog » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:25 am

As long as that means less pig lard going into the stomachs of Americans who are already fat enough then I'm fine with it.
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Postby Uncle Fester » Fri Jan 07, 2005 12:39 pm

Pigskin?

Instead of groping grandmas at the airport, they could just require every passenger to carry a football.
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Postby supaunknown » Fri Jan 07, 2005 1:53 pm

Religion sure makes people believe the craziest horseshit. It's just so weird that people can be programmed like that. Everybody knows that touching rendered hog fat will keep you reaching heaven. That's an indisputable fact. It's been proven.
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Postby Uncle Fester » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:48 pm

I picture roadside ditches in Iraq filled with lard, munitions filled with shredded pork, tanks and troops wrapped in bacon, fire hoses unleashing streams of hogfat to disperse unruly crowds...

We may have stumbled on to the Islamic version of Kryptonite.

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Postby nevermore » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:04 pm

Sometimes it takes a musician...

From The Real Frank Zappa Book by Frank Zappa (1989) - page 320:

Let's say we have to make some 'show of force.' The most common scenarios involve small guerilla or terrorist groups. Nuclear retaliation? It has been suggested by others that Aerosol Pork Grenades would be a better deterrent - Islamic martyrs are denied entrance to heaven if they show up at the gate smelling like a pig. Denial of The Big Payoff removes a certain cachet from acts of voluntary self-destruction.
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Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:08 pm

I think Kraft has found a whole new market for Lunchables.

Does that mean that they're now part of the Military-Industrial Complex?

Of course, this idea is nothing new:

There is a low-tech answer to such high-tech threats: Pork. America should declare that the remains of terrorists who commit suicide attacks or are executed here will be wrapped in pigskins and lard and buried in unmarked graves.

According to the Moskovsky Komsomolets newspaper, that is how Russian authorities handled the bodies of 50 Chechen terrorists who commandeered a Moscow theater on October 23.

More...

Plagued by Islamic terrorists in the southern Philippines, U.S. Army General John "Blackjack" Pershing's troops captured six Muslim guerrillas in 1911. "You'll never see Paradise," one officer told the militants before five of them were shot with bullets dipped in pig fat and later shrouded in pigskins and buried among pork entrails. The surviving terrorist was allowed to escape, whereupon he told his comrades what he witnessed. The jihad stopped immediately, and peace prevailed for years.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/801777/posts

Good times, good times.
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Postby Chuck_Schick » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:14 pm

supaunknown wrote:Religion sure makes people believe the craziest horseshit.

Agreed. But I think, technically, "hogshit" would be the appropriate term in this instance, Supa.
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Postby kurt_w » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:16 pm

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Postby ShaneDog » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:19 pm

I automatically assume anything posted on freerepublic.com is gossip, rumor, or urban legend.
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Postby Ned Flanders » Fri Jan 07, 2005 3:19 pm

kurt_w wrote:Urban Legend alert....

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm


Kurt is such a spoil-sport sometimes :wink:
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Postby charliedon'tsurf » Fri Jan 07, 2005 8:51 pm

Ned Flanders wrote:
Plagued by Islamic terrorists in the southern Philippines, U.S. Army General John "Blackjack" Pershing's troops captured six Muslim guerrillas in 1911. "You'll never see Paradise," one officer told the militants before five of them were shot with bullets dipped in pig fat and later shrouded in pigskins and buried among pork entrails. The surviving terrorist was allowed to escape, whereupon he told his comrades what he witnessed. The jihad stopped immediately, and peace prevailed for years.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/801777/posts

Good times, good times.

Did it ever occur to you that it was the Philippinos who were under attack from big, white greedhead fucks from the US? I think the military victories the US had in the early 20th century in the Philippines had more to do with undiscriminate killing of the civilian populations than burying with pork.
It's a good thing we took care of them injuns before they could invade Europe and destroy our noble, moral honky civilization as well.
Terrorist is just the term a stronger army uses for warriors on the other side who must revert to guerrilla insurgencies to defeat their better equiped advisaries.
Yeah good times Ned.
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Postby Henry Vilas » Fri Jan 07, 2005 9:01 pm

charliedon'tsurf wrote:Terrorist is just the term a stronger army uses for warriors on the other side who must revert to guerrilla insurgencies to defeat their better equiped advisaries.
Exactly.

Didn't the redcoats under George III refer to the rebels from the Colonies with the same term?
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Postby Mike S. » Fri Jan 07, 2005 11:14 pm

kurt_w wrote:Urban Legend alert....

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.htm


Read what you cite! It says that the very specific claim that Pershing used pig-laced munitions in 1913 is "unconfirmed" - not definitely a legend, not definitely not. And then they cite half a dozen sources saying that some troops at some time during the conflict DID claim to do something similar. For our purposes that is as good as a confirmation - we don't really care who Pershing is or whether he specifically did it.

It's hard not to love this tactic where terrorists are concerned, but how long it remains usable is another question. Perhaps it is best treated as an antibiotic - not used so often that resistant "strains" develop.
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