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Postby Henry Vilas » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:49 am

The Supreme Court is expected to come out with its ruling tomorrow. Tommy Thompson is already taking heat for his flip-flop on mandatory coverage.

Club for Growth hammers Thompson on health care

The conservative Club for Growth is hammering Republican Senate candidate Tommy Thompson on the eve of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law.

The national group on Wednesday circulated a 2006 video clip of Thompson voicing his support for mandating that people have health insurance. Thompson has since disavowed the mandate, which is a key part of the Obama health care law, as not practical.

Thompson says in the clip that "just like automobile insurance, you gotta have coverage. And if you're gonna be able to cover the uninsured you're gonna have to have some degree of a mandate to cover the uninsured."


Of course, Romney is also a flip-flopper on this issue. Will the Club for Growth run a similar ad denouncing him?
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Peanutbutter » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:47 am

Has Obama ever changed his mind on this issue?

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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby rabble » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:51 am

Yeah. He's compromised with the Republicans repeatedly, and been viciously attacked for it without end.

By the republicans.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Peanutbutter » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:04 am

So Republicans flip-flop but Democrats compromise?

Uhm, yeah. Okay.

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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby wack wack » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:46 am

Peanutbutter wrote:So Republicans flip-flop but Democrats compromise?

Uhm, yeah. Okay.

:roll:


When Romney becomes President, and the Republicans once again decide that an individual mandate is not only good but necessary, will that be a flip-flop or compromise?
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Peanutbutter » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:54 am

wack wack wrote:When Romney becomes President


I'm glad to see we finally agree about something!

:lol:
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby wack wack » Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:59 am

Peanutbutter wrote:
wack wack wrote:When Romney becomes President


I'm glad to see we finally agree about something!

:lol:


So you don't understand facetiousness either. Got it.

Care to answer the question?
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Lily » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:19 pm

Henry Vilas wrote:The Supreme Court is expected to come out with its ruling tomorrow. Tommy Thompson is already taking heat for his flip-flop on mandatory coverage.

Club for Growth hammers Thompson on health care

The conservative Club for Growth is hammering Republican Senate candidate Tommy Thompson on the eve of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling on President Barack Obama's health care overhaul law.

The national group on Wednesday circulated a 2006 video clip of Thompson voicing his support for mandating that people have health insurance. Thompson has since disavowed the mandate, which is a key part of the Obama health care law, as not practical.

Thompson says in the clip that "just like automobile insurance, you gotta have coverage. And if you're gonna be able to cover the uninsured you're gonna have to have some degree of a mandate to cover the uninsured."


Of course, Romney is also a flip-flopper on this issue. Will the Club for Growth run a similar ad denouncing him?


I think Tommy wants the job so badly and he see's where the money is so he'll say what they want to hear. When Walker first took office Tommy was talking up how good the train idea was. A few days later he's back on board with Walker and the "train boondoggle." Here's to hoping tomorrow's news from the Supreme Court will be good policy. We really need health care reform.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Huckleby » Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:55 pm

Badger Care is quite something, WI is a leader across the country, and Tommy Thompson is a hero for helping it get started.

But that was then, this is now. Maybe some day the moderates in Republican Party will come back.

Well, I expect Obamacare mandate gets struck down tomorrow. Hopefully medicaid expansion stands, but that is iffy. The logical way to patch OBamacare would be to just leave it to the state to implement a mandate at their discretion. Nothing unconstitutional about that, in fact it is probably the way they should have done it in the first place.

Alas, I expect the REpublican congress- Supreme Court axis will find ways to make Obamacare unpatchable. In that case, I sign up for the single payer brigade, and dig in for the long war. The Dems are already talking about mobilizing tomorrow wiht a house caucus.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby johnfajardohenry » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:30 pm

Tea parties can change history as we saw 2 years ago and will hopefully see again in a few months. A tea party also changed history in 1934.

If only Obama and his folks had read some history, we would not even be having this conversation about Obamacare. It would be a done deal with no constitutional challenge possible.

FDR, and his Sec Labor Frances Perkins wanted to do SS much the same way that Obama wants to do healthcare.

Frances Perkins tells the story that at a tea party with Justice Harlan Stone. He told her that if they did it the way they wanted, the Supremes would strike it down as clearly unconstitutional.

He also told her how to structure it so there was no Constitutional question. I suspect that it was highly improper for a Supreme to be giving this kind of advice on pending legislation. But, they were demmies so what the heck, right?

Obama ignored Stone's advice. To his folly, we can hope and will know in a few hours.

The story appears in Amity Schlaes excellent book about the Depression "The Forgotten Man". That is where I first heard it.

It also appears on the SS website at

http://www.ssa.gov/history/tea.htm

"The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them." Mark Twain

[22:39 edited to correct the Twain quote]


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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby johnfajardohenry » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:35 pm

Team O apparently did figure out the story behind SS but far too late. They tried to argue that they had done this with Obamacare even though the 2000+ page act says several times quite explicitly that they didn't.

Let's see which the Supremes buy into: The written law or what the lawyers say they meant.

A man's wife walks in on him In Flagrante with his mistress. He tells her "Honey, nothing is going on. Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"

That is sort of the position Obama's lawyers seemed to be arguing when I listened to the oral arguments.

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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jun 28, 2012 8:47 am

Video shows Romney lauding (old) mandate

On the same day the Supreme Court announces its decision on the health care law, a Democratic opposition research group is pushing a video from 2006 that shows Mitt Romney praising the idea of an individual insurance mandate -- a key component of the Affordable Care Act that he now chastises.

As former governor of Massachusetts, Romney signed off on a law requiring individuals to purchase health insurance. Romney's opponents now point to the law as a way to paint the presidential candidate as hypocritical when he blasts President Barack Obama's sweeping health care reform, which also includes a mandate.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:11 am

Breaking news: heath care reform law upheld by the Supreme Court. Roberts wrote the decision. Mandate OK under the Constitution's taxing authority.
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby rabble » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:44 am

Henry Vilas wrote:Breaking news: heath care reform law upheld by the Supreme Court. Roberts wrote the decision. Mandate OK under the Constitution's taxing authority.

Holy crap. :shock:
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Re: Health Care Reform

Postby Meade » Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:49 am

Hot tip for Intrade traders: Sell short: Barack Obama to be re-elected President in 2012
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