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Getting books for your Ereader

What books, zines or other pulp are you reading? What aren't you reading? What should everyone else read?

Would you ever download from an unauthorized sharing site?

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Getting books for your Ereader

Postby Huckleby » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:29 pm

I've been frustrated with the costs and availability of eBooks. The major publishers (4 out of 6) are refusing to sell eBooks to libraries at all. The ones that will play ball are charging a ton (something like $80 per copy, with 26 lifetime shares according to an article I saw somewhere.)

I can see how you might think that anybody who can afford a Kindle ought to be able to afford $15 e-books. Ya, Amazon has some bargain-priced downloads of public domain stuff, but the editions are often unedited and full of errors. I can't afford $15 for decent editions. I don't see why pubishers can't make money selling at $5 -> $8 per digital copy, especially when you consider their minimal production costs.

I recently discovered Pirate Bay. I am interested in fiction, and it's a bit of trick to find stuff, the selection is limited, but there are some good titles.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby rabble » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:34 pm

What am I voting for?

I've been moderately happy with my Kindle subscription to Analog and the occasional indie publication for 2.99 or 3.99. Actually there's a few of them where I bought the whole damn series for four bucks each after I got hooked with the first one.

I miss the old ebook sites like Fictionwise but I've made my peace with the fact that corporate won that round.

Pirate Bay has ebooks? Where?
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby Huckleby » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:38 pm

rabble wrote:What am I voting for?


If you vote "Yes" you would consider downloading a book for free from a peer-to-peer sharing site like Pirate Bay.

If you vote "No", you are a stickler for respecting copyrights, and probably an upstanding citizen.


rabble wrote:Pirate Bay has ebooks? Where?

I will share my journey of discovery shortly, in hopes of steering other sinners down the road to damnation.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby Huckleby » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:45 pm

rabble wrote: I've been moderately happy with my Kindle subscription to Analog and the occasional indie publication for 2.99 or 3.99. Actually there's a few of them where I bought the whole damn series for four bucks each after I got hooked with the first one.


I've tried a couple options before crossing over to dark side. I joined Amazon prime, which lures you with offers of thousands of free titles every month. The books are self-published by your cousin.

Then I joined bookbub.com. They alert you to bargain titles at various sites, stuff priced around $5. I don't doubt there are some good books in there, but I don't have interest in trying-out more unknown authors.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby rabble » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:48 pm

There's a few instances where I'd download a pirate of a book I really want but can't see the value in fifteen bucks for something I can't loan out, give away, or resell.

But I have to admit I find satisfaction in paying somebody four bucks because I like their writing, knowing I wouldn't even have seen their stuff if there weren't no internets for them to hawk their wares because the other publishers wouldn't give them a shot.

In that respect Amazon is doing something I find worthwhile.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby rabble » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:54 pm

Huckleby wrote: I don't doubt there are some good books in there, but I don't have interest in trying-out more unknown authors.

Most of my ebooks are sci fi for reading on the bus. I get recommendations, then check the price and if it's under five bucks a few minutes with the reviews is enough to know whether I want to read a sample. If I get through the sample wanting more, I buy it.

So far it's something like 90 percent satisfaction, five percent ambivalent and five percent what the hell was I thinking.

But I'm always happy to check out a new source.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby Huckleby » Mon Apr 21, 2014 3:57 pm

rabble wrote: But I have to admit I find satisfaction in paying somebody four bucks because I like their writing, knowing I wouldn't even have seen their stuff if there weren't no internets for them to hawk their wares because the other publishers wouldn't give them a shot.

In that respect Amazon is doing something I find worthwhile.


I admire your open-mindedness. I am not a HUGE reader, I tend to chase recommendations of others, usually famous authors. Recently, I heard Matt Taibbi (a lively journalistic writer I like) say that the two authors that got him loving literature were Saki and Nikolai Gogol, both very wry writers. I'm already a fan of Saki, thought I'd try "Dead Souls" recommended by Taibbi. No Gogol at all in public library. Amazon has superior translation for $10, old translation for peanuts. I guess $10 ain't too bad, still a bit much.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby Huckleby » Mon Apr 21, 2014 4:09 pm

rabble wrote: But I'm always happy to check out a new source.


There is a lot of Sci-Fi on pirate bay. OK, well here was my experience.

1) You need to download a bit torrent client from http://www.bittorrent.com/
You need to accept that in theory participating in peer-to-peer sharing can put a virus on your computer, so you obviously ought to have virus protection. I haven't seen or heard of problems. Maybe avoiding new shares is a good practice.

2) Join Pirate Bay. I went to server in Estonia, http://www.piratebay.ee/, because Estonia sounds like lovely place.
It costs $5 per year to join, but since they accept PayPal I figure it is no-risk. I notice they set-up yearly auto-renewal, which irritated me greatly because I didn't know I authorized it. Go into your account at PayPal and wipe that out.

3) Ahh, their site is down right now, so I can't give you more instructions. But you browse OTHER torrents, and somewhere is an option to narrow down to E-Books. Well, you have a hundred non-fiction for every fiction book. Somewhere else there is ability to search on FICTION keyword.

After you download a torrent, you immediately become a sharer for others. It is good karma to share a few copies with others. Yes, there is honor among thieves.

4) You'll want to load free program "calibre" http://calibre-ebook.com/ to manage, convert, and transfer your e-books on your computer & ereader. Excellent software.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby peripat » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:29 am

Then there is Baen books free library
http://www.baenebooks.com/c-1-free-library.aspx

Smaller than it used to be, but SF & some fantasy
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby green union terrace chair » Thu May 01, 2014 4:55 pm

FYI, printing and distribution costs of printed books figure minimally in the overall production costs of books. There's no massive cost-savings in producing an e-book, so you shouldn't expect some dramatically lowered cost.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby Huckleby » Thu May 01, 2014 5:04 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:FYI, printing and distribution costs of printed books figure minimally in the overall production costs of books. There's no massive cost-savings in producing an e-book, so you shouldn't expect some dramatically lowered cost.


This is really hard to understand. Where is the money being spent? Marketing? Most authors are not doing well. I know Amazon is not making a huge profit.

Obviously if authors and other artists sell direct digitally, costs are minimized. But that is different issue.

BTW, piratebay.ee turns out to be poorly run. Look to sweden, piratebay.se for greater content, no registration fee.

I am not proud of my piratebay daliance, to the extent that it is cutting out artists it is wrong. Can one share old printings in good conscience? One unexpected discovery is that piratebay is quite the hangout for culture vultures who make available obscure and fascinating materials. Porn is paying for it all (Sweden site subsists on advertising) but there are all sorts of brows there.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby green union terrace chair » Thu May 01, 2014 6:15 pm

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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby Huckleby » Thu May 01, 2014 9:20 pm

green union terrace chair wrote:Here's one comparative analysis:
http://gizmodo.com/5482774/how-much-it- ... -real-book


Interesting. Well, the way to look at it is the prices have to come down for e-books to contain piracy. Publishers and booksellers are taking most of the loot, which is not to suggest their profit margins are high. I don't see room to squeeze the other costs, so publishers & booksellers will either reconfigure or be cut out.

Don't know if my theories here will play out.
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby wack wack » Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:42 am

green union terrace chair wrote:Here's one comparative analysis:
http://gizmodo.com/5482774/how-much-it- ... -real-book


Where did NYT get its numbers? I don't see the citing.

"On a typical hardcover, the publisher sets a suggested retail price. Let’s say it is $26."


Let's say? This is a comparative creation, not a comparative analysis.

Also, are there people who actually pay full cover price for a hardcover book?
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Re: Getting books for your Ereader

Postby green union terrace chair » Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:37 pm

wack wack wrote:
"On a typical hardcover, the publisher sets a suggested retail price. Let’s say it is $26."

Let's say? This is a comparative creation, not a comparative analysis.

Also, are there people who actually pay full cover price for a hardcover book?

I have bought full-price hardcover books before, when they first came out (usually a highly-anticipated sequel). But yeah, books that aren't red-hot usually get discounted pretty quickly.
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