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Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby Sandi » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:15 pm

EPA’s Next Wave Of Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

The EPA’s new climate regulations touted as a turning point by the Administration is about as accurate as: "If you like your insurance plan, you can keep your plan." Not to mention that they won’t do anything at all for the climate change.

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The new rules supposedly give states “flexibility” in deciding how to meet the mandates. However, many will have little choice but to impose costly cap-tax-and-trade regimes like the ones Congress has wisely and repeatedly refused to enact. Others will be forced to close perfectly good, highly reliable coal-fueled power plants that currently provide affordable electricity for millions of families, factories, hospitals, schools and businesses. The adverse impacts will be enormous.

The rules will further hobble a U.S. economy that actually shrank by 1% during the first quarter of 2014, following a pathetic 1.9% total annual growth in 2013. They are on top of $1.9 trillion per year (one-eighth of our total economy) that businesses and families already pay to comply with federal rules.

A U.S. Chamber of Commerce study calculates that the new regulations will cost our economy another $51 billion annually, result in 224,000 more lost jobs every year, and cost every American household $3,400 per year in higher prices for energy, food and other necessities. Poor, middle class and minority families – and those already dependent on unemployment and welfare – will be impacted worst. Those in a dozen states that depend on coal to generate 30-95% of their electricity will be hit especially hard.

Millions of Americans will endure lower quality of life and be unable to heat or cool their homes properly, pay their rent or mortgage, or save for college and retirement. They will suffer from greater stress, worse sleep deprivation, higher incidences of depression and alcohol, drug, spousal and child abuse, and more heart attacks and strokes. As Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) points out, “A lot of people on the lower end of the socio-economic spectrum are going to die.” EPA ignores all of this.

President Obama says the costly regulations are needed to reduce “carbon pollution” that he claims is making “extreme weather events” like Superstorm Sandy “more common and more devastating.” The rules will also prevent up to 100,000 asthma attacks and 2,100 heart attacks in their first year alone, while also curbing sea level rise, forest fires and other supposed impacts from “climate disruption,” according to ridiculous talking points provided by EPA boss Gina McCarthy.


Note that Obama falsely claims that CO2, one of the planets main life sustaining ingedients, is a pollutant. As well his claim that CO2 is making extreme weather events like Superstorm Sandy more common and more devastating it false as records bear out.

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As of the start of the 2014 hurricane season there has been 3142 days since a cat3 or stronger made landfall. That sets a new record for the longest stretch since 1900 for intense hurricanes.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby minicat » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:39 pm

What's worse: some jobs lost, or humankind wiping out the planet?

(and of course, no jobs would EVER be created by having to convert to different energy sources...)
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby msnflyer » Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:57 pm

An application for a new landfill has been filed in central WI. The landfill will take ash from a coal burning power plant. The ash has been used as a component in asphalt for paving but with new regulations, a chemical that will be added to the coal will make it unsuitable for use in asphalt. The landfill is expected to have a life of 10-15 years.

Seems counterproductive, recycling the ash versus burying it where it may leach into groundwater or have other negative effects.

Humans found a replacement for whale oil, we'll find a replacement for coal and petroleum. I don't think I'll live long enough to see the replacements.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby Prof. Wagstaff » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:00 pm

Sandi wrote:Note that Obama falsely claims that CO2, one of the planets main life sustaining ingedients, is a pollutant.
The only thing worth noting here is your dogged insistence on remaining completely ignorant on a topic about which you never tire of spewing endless nonsense.

Sandi wrote:... you should hide your ignorance behind silence.
Amen, sister.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby Henry Vilas » Thu Jun 05, 2014 3:27 pm

The Koch brothers are heavily invested in the coal industry and are behind much of the propaganda against CO2 regulations.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby snoqueen » Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:34 pm

msnflyer wrote:An application for a new landfill has been filed in central WI. The landfill will take ash from a coal burning power plant. The ash has been used as a component in asphalt for paving but with new regulations, a chemical that will be added to the coal will make it unsuitable for use in asphalt. The landfill is expected to have a life of 10-15 years.


This sounds interesting, but could you provide a link?

Coal ash is also a high quality component of concrete for building purposes, can be used making wallboard, and is a source of agricultural calcium soil supplements, so it has other uses as a byproduct. Is the additive making those uses impossible as well?

A lot of times industry will work its way out of these situations when a product is cheap enough and useful enough. I am surprised they're spending a lot of money making a new landfill and would like more info.

Here's a link I found for those who are interested in coal byproduct usage as an aspect of environmental concerns:

http://www.ect.coop/regulatory-watch/en ... -ash/65974

The article points out using byproducts is not only cheaper than landfilling them, bus also the byproducts may also be cheaper than so-called virgin resources.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby Donald » Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:47 pm

I'm not sure how the CO2 regulations affect coal ash. I don't think they do.

At the beginning of the year EPA settled a lawsuit brought by environmental groups requiring EPA to update their very lax regulations under RCRA on coal ash. That regulation is supposed to be done by the end of the year. My guess is the coal ash landfill in question might be trying to beat tougher new standards expected to come out of the EPA, but I could be wrong.

I'm not a big fan of recycling coal ash, at least in the lax regulatory environment that has pertained over the last 30 years. Both bottom ash and fly ash can include extremely toxic materials left over from burning coal, and putting those materials in concrete, asphalt and other building products might not be the best idea.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby msnflyer » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:28 am

snoqueen wrote:This sounds interesting, but could you provide a link?


Heard it on the WI Public Radio news broadcast while on the way home Wed. afternoon.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby HawkHead » Fri Jun 06, 2014 8:39 am

msnflyer wrote:
snoqueen wrote:This sounds interesting, but could you provide a link?


Heard it on the WI Public Radio news broadcast while on the way home Wed. afternoon.


I heard it then also. I think the landfill is somewhere close to Wausau.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby fisticuffs » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:12 am

Meanwhile despite the "Job Killing Health Care Bill" and not coddling the "Job Creators" the economy added 217,000 jobs last month. Makes you wonder if maybe more people having expendable income might be good for demand and demand might be good for business.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby Sandi » Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:49 pm

fisticuffs wrote:Meanwhile despite the "Job Killing Health Care Bill" and not coddling the "Job Creators" the economy added 217,000 jobs last month. Makes you wonder if maybe more people having expendable income might be good for demand and demand might be good for business.


And employment is still at a 35 year low.

Not to mention that besides the regulation burden, public health costs jobs.

Science Magazine Abstract

What is the relationship between employment rates and access to public health insurance? Garthwaite et al. analyzed what happened in 2005, when the state of Tennessee discontinued Medicare health insurance coverage for about 4% of its non-elderly adult population, many of them nondisabled low-income adults without children at home. With a new need for private health insurance, which is often provided by employers, many of these people found new jobs. State employment rose by 6 percentage points from 2004 to 2006. This change mirrors the Congressional Budget Office projections of the decline in employment due to the expansion of public health insurance mandated in the U.S. Affordable Care Act.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby david cohen » Fri Jun 06, 2014 11:13 pm

Sandi wrote:
Not to mention that besides the regulation burden, public health costs jobs.



Public health costs lives as well....you should know as a member of the GOP death panel.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby you must be joking » Sat Jun 07, 2014 7:54 am

Sandi does raise a good point about what this will do to our economy. But to the elite the real issue may not be the intermediate steps in reducing Climate Change/Global Warming. It may be more reminiscent of the ethical dilemma of the overcrowded life boat.

If Climate Change/Global Warming is real and it will destroy the earth why bother with these silly intermediate steps in reducing Climate Change/Global Warming. According to those people, thousands of years ago there was no Climate Change/Global Warming. That Climate Change/Global Warming has only been caused by as they say "human activity" i.e. "human overpopulation". Let's face it, the only real answer to this ethical dilemma to some is to "Cull the Herd". Just reduce the human population by oh say 80-90% problem solved.

Problem is: Who will live and who will die?

Real problem is: Just which 1 or 2 in 10 of us will live?

Newsflash: Unless you have already been designated as being on "the lifeboat", you are probably not.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby peripat » Sat Jun 07, 2014 8:46 am

you must be joking wrote: Let's face it, the only real answer to this ethical dilemma to some is to "Cull the Herd". Just reduce the human population by oh say 80-90% problem solved.

Problem is: Who will live and who will die?

Real problem is: Just which 1 or 2 in 10 of us will live?

Newsflash: Unless you have already been designated as being on "the lifeboat", you are probably not.


Oooh- great point. If we manage to kill off enough people we might not make ourselves extinct. More reasonably shouldn't we do more reasonable things to keep the population down like empowering women throughout the world, more and better birth control, free and legal abortions for anyone who wants one?
'Cause you know, right now the only people anyone seems to really care about are the ones who aren't born yet.
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Re: Job-Killing CO2 Regulations

Postby Henry Vilas » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:52 am

The New York Times reports that at least 10 states already have cut their CO2 emissions without dire economic consequences.

In Some States, Emissions Cuts Defy Skeptics
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