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Taking on Bishop Morlino
Robert Morlino claims to represent the true church of Jesus Christ. Some local Catholics aren't buying it



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Jim Beyers is a lifelong Catholic and proud of it. He loves his church and what he feels it stands for — "justice and service to others." He's been active in many parish ministries and was the CEO of a Catholic hospital for 13 years.

But there is one thing that Beyers, like some other local Catholics, does not like about his church: its leader, Madison Bishop Robert Morlino.

"I started feeling uncomfortable about Morlino pretty much from day one," says Beyers, a resident of Madison's far southwest side and member of the local chapter of Call to Action, which has crossed swords with the bishop. "He's big on obedience. He doesn't think that laypersons should have any say. Morale is very low among the priests. He's a tyrant with them. Some of them are scared to death of him."

When historians of the Catholic Church look back at the early 21st century, they may identify Madison as an important battleground. The fight here is between laypeople and the church's hierarchy; at stake, arguably, is the soul of the church.

The laypeople, including about 40 local members of Call to Action, are upset about a leadership regime they see as entrenched, dogmatic, unduly hierarchical. The local church, led by Morlino, feels it's following God's truth and the proper path of Catholicism — and it's willing to lose those parishioners who disagree.

The Madison diocese spans 11 counties and claims 270,000 members of its flock. But Beyers says a number of people have left the local Catholic church in recent years, some because of their objection to Morlino and the conservative priests he's installed.

"People my age," says the 71-year-old Beyers, "are referred to sometimes as Vatican II people." This gathering of bishops and cardinals from around the world, between 1962 and 1965, led to sweeping changes in church policy and practice, most aimed at making it more inclusive. As Beyers puts it, Vatican II "opened the window to let fresh air in" by giving laity an important role in running the church. But some within the church "have been trying to slam it shut ever since."

Beyers thinks Morlino, who has been steeped in controversy since his arrival in Madison in 2003, is clearly in this camp. And he thinks the bishop should be replaced. "This is my church," says Beyers. "They're definitely not going to drive me out of it. I grew up in it, I'm comfortable in it, but the hierarchy lives in a bubble."

Madison resident Jim Green, a Catholic brother for eight years in the Divine Word Missionary, was in Rome during the last two years of Vatican II. For the past 40 years he's lived with his life partner, Bill Diederich. Both are Roman Catholics and members of Dignity USA, a Catholic support group for LGBTs and their allies.

"When I speak of the church, I don't think of the institution, the pyramid with the laity at the bottom and the pope at the top," says Green, 71, a member of Call to Action. The documents that came out of Vatican II, he notes, spoke of a circular system with the laity's role as important as those of the priests, the bishops and the pope. It's a system in which everyone has a voice.

That's not the kind of system Bishop Morlino has fostered in Madison, as even his defenders admit. Diocese communications director Brent King, who fielded questions from Isthmus on the bishop's behalf, portrays him as a courageous defender of the true church.

"When we talk about the church, the revealed truth is what matters, and he, as our teacher, teaches it," says King. "Often strife has to do with these teachings."

Morlino has brought plenty of strife, which Green laments: "It's a sad day when the sheep are afraid of the shepherd. They run the church like a cult, and in the meantime Jesus weeps for his people and the Earth."

Authoritarian streak

Robert Morlino, 63, a native of Scranton, Penn., was ordained in 1974. He holds an undergraduate degree in philosophy, master's degrees in philosophy and theology and a doctorate in moral theology, from various institutions.

Morlino was stationed in Kalamazoo, Mich., before being named the bishop of Helena, Mont., in 1999. After four years there he came to Madison, replacing William Bullock.

Within months of his arrival, Morlino wrote a column in the Catholic Herald ripping Madison as a community that has "a high comfort level with virtually no public morality."

Meanwhile, Morlino has raised questions about the soundness of his own moral compass by serving on and chairing the Board of Visitors of the Georgia-based Western Hemispheric Institute for Security Cooperation, formerly known as the School of the Americas. The school, run by the U.S. Army, trains military officers from Latin America, many of whom have been implicated in human rights abuses, including the murder of nuns and priests.

Morlino has also suggested that disobedience to church doctrine in such areas as birth control is somehow responsible for sexual abuse by priests. And he reflexively lashed out at critics of the church's official inaction on abuse cases.

In November 2006, Morlino ordered all of the priests in his diocese to play a recorded message in place of the homily, in which he condemned a proposed gay marriage amendment (as well as capital punishment and embryonic stem-cell research). In his letter to priests, Morlino warned of "serious consequences" for anyone who dissented from his stance.

"I must make it very clear that any verbal or nonverbal expression of disagreement with this teaching on the part of the priest will have to be considered by myself as an act of disobedience," he wrote. When the message was played, dozens of parishioners in a number of churches walked out of Mass or stood with their backs to the altar.

In recent years, Morlino has brought in priests from the strict Society of Jesus Christ the Priest to Mazomanie, Sauk City and other small communities. This caused a furor when they forbade girls from serving at the altar and, according to Green, led to a sharp decline in membership at St. Aloysius in Sauk City. Priests from the same order were brought in recently to Platteville, causing another outcry.

Morlino has also been accused of demanding confidential information from a survey he commissioned regarding the feasibility of a major campaign to erect a new cathedral in place of the burned St. Raphael's — and then refusing to pay for the survey when Phoenix Fundraising Counsel, the firm that conducted it, rejected his demands.

The bishop, said the company, asked for the names and comments of priests who had been interviewed, especially those who had expressed concerns or registered complaints about Bishop Morlino. The bishop had earlier promised survey participants that "all responses will be considered confidential," to ensure that everyone can "feel free to comment without fear of repercussion" — in itself, an odd concern to raise.

King, the diocese's spokesman, won't discuss the bishop's controversial actions. But he does argue that Morlino is deeply committed to high moral principles.

"All humans were born with the same dignity," says King. "That means something about the unborn child. That's why we make these strong statements and they're very controversial."

King himself is being prepared for his upcoming marriage by a priest from the Society of Jesus Christ the Priest. "I can testify," he says, "that they do everything with love, for Jesus and the people. They're happy and holy priests, and many people who didn't like them at first now love them."

Who would Jesus fire?

Perhaps the greatest source of discontent over Morlino has to do with his treatment of others in the church.

In September 2008, Morlino fired Charles Philyaw, the full-time director of music liturgy at St. Andrew Catholic Church in Verona, because he was living an openly gay life. Philyaw was given two weeks' notice. In March 2009, Ruth Kolpack, a pastoral associate in Beloit's St. Thomas the Apostle Parish since 1983, was also fired following a 10-minute meeting with the bishop.

In a letter to parishioners, Kolpack said she was fired for refusing to recant her master's thesis, which called for using more gender-neutral language in references to divinity.

"When I met with Bishop Morlino yesterday, he concluded, based on my master's thesis, that my teachings about Jesus are off base," Kolpack wrote. "Yet, he also admitted that he had not read the document in its entirety, but only 'bits and pieces.'"

In response to backlash over Kolpack's treatment, the diocese issued a statement saying that all church members must obey "what the sacred pastors, who represent Christ, declare as teachers of the faith." Any teachings that are contrary to church doctrine, said the statement, "are at worst seriously scandalous, and at best very inappropriate."

Beyers, in an op-ed piece in Isthmus last year, said Kolpack's firing established Morlino's credentials as a tyrant.

"Bishop Morlino's tenure in Madison has been marked by confrontation, not cooperation," he wrote. "His relationship with the priests and faithful has not been one of 'servant to the servants of God' but one of dictator."

In June 2009, Morlino decreed the closure of the Catholic Multicultural Center, a south-side center serving poor, mostly minority people. The move, done for fiscal reasons, angered some Madison Catholics, who organized and raised funds to reopen it.

The decision still rankles some local Catholics, especially given Morlino's support for a multimillion-dollar renovation of St. Paul's University Catholic Center, including apartments for students who agree to take courses in religious studies.

"Does the bishop not know that the most beautiful church will remain empty if the faith it stands for is bereft of human compassion?" wrote Joe Kirshling in an online post. "Shame on Bishop Robert Morlino for turning a blind fiscal eye to God's most sacred message. Face-lifting churches to lure young minds at the expense of helping the poor demonstrates the mistaken priorities of the diocese."

Madison resident Marian Fredal, a physical therapist and lifelong Catholic, also feels that Morlino is leading the local diocese away from the true message of Jesus Christ. She remains a member of the church but now gives her contributions to the Multicultural Center and not the diocese.

"My hope," she says, "is for a change of heart where Morlino could listen to the people, but he thinks he does, so it's hard to have hope about him."

The role of the laity

Beyers, a member of St. Maria Goretti Parish, is a retired health-care administrator. His last job was as the president of the Monroe Clinic. One of his concerns is the way money is handled by the diocese.

In a document titled "The Top Ten Reasons Why Robert Morlino Should Not Be (Anybody's) Bishop," Beyers blasts the bishop for purportedly traveling in a first-class cabin on a flight to Milwaukee during the time he closed the Multicultural Center. He also says Morlino "flew 14 seminarians to Australia during the time when it was obvious that there were financial problems" that led in part to the closing of the Multicultural Center.

Beyers, who alleges that the audited financial reports for the chancery reflect only a part of the real spending, says he's been stymied in his efforts to get a more complete accounting. He says he met with John Philipp, the diocese's chief financial officer, but received no answers to questions about why the "miscellaneous" line item for the chancery went up by more than $600,000 in 2008 from the year before.

In an email to Isthmus, Philipp gave this reply: "As with any other institution, public or private, there are often unforeseen expenses which do not fit neatly into established categories, but which need to be accounted for in the Statement of Activities.... As is the case for 'Miscellaneous Expenses' incurred and recognized in 2008, those expenses were covered by financial assets that did not come from donations, or the parish assessment, or the annual appeal — the contributions asked of our generous Catholic people. At this time, this is as detailed as I can be in discussing this particular line item."

Responds Beyers, "Mr. Philipp's reply is a marvel of non-responsiveness. The Madison diocese is not a private corporation accountable to stockholders. It is an organization of the Catholic Church that has an obligation to serve the Catholic laity and to be accountable to them. Those Catholics have a right to information concerning diocesan expenditures."

In 2008, Call to Action paid $3,500 for a full-page open letter (PDF) to Morlino in the Wisconsin State Journal, faulting him for ignoring the input of clergy and laypeople and harming the morale of priests. The diocese's response: Morlino is sorry that "certain groups, who claim to be Catholic, would assume postures which clearly are not in accord with the teachings of the church."

For Catholics like Green, such comments are like fingernails on chalkboard. As he sees it, Vatican II — still official church doctrine — clearly established that Catholics have the right to express dissent in regard to decisions made by church authorities. Indeed, he sees Morlino as part of an internal conservative backlash against this doctrine.

After Vatican II, says Green, the bishops and cardinals came back to the U.S., where they met in Detroit in 1976. "They got cold feet. They were afraid of losing their authority and power." And this, he says, has prompted the appointment of conservative and authoritarian bishops with little regard for the wishes of the people in a given diocese.

Spokesman King agrees there are "more and more calls for the laity to help spread the word about Jesus." However, he says, the hierarchic church was brought to the world by Jesus, who chose 12 apostles.

By his lights, Vatican II spelled out how the laity can help in evangelizing the world. But the church, King says, is like the family: "While they're supportive of each other, the mother's role is always different from the father's."

And dignity for all

Green and his partner Diederich now worship at Holy Wisdom Monastery, which is no longer Catholic. It's a place where, he says, "everybody is welcome. We've congregated with others who feel the same: Those who are married a second time without receiving annulment, priests who decided to marry, couples with a partner who was abused by priests. We don't have to look over our shoulders and wonder who'll report us."

Call to Action members have met with Morlino but no longer seek active dialogue. Instead, explains Green, they would like to have access to the parishes to give people "the good news about their rights.

"We have only to look at Jesus, who often criticized the religious leaders of his time," he says. "Where is the passion here for the disenfranchised, the marginalized, the poor and hurting? Where is the concern for those who have been slaughtered in our country's preemptive wars?"

Green also resents that women cannot be ordained in the Catholic Church, even though many of them are, to his mind, more qualified than ordained priests.

"Jesus was given birth by a woman, yet a woman is not allowed to give Jesus to the people," he says. This makes no sense, he feels, especially nowadays, when the church suffers from a lack of priests.

Spokesman King says the bishop "always has an open door to every priest. They're asked to bring any issue to him for discussion. It's easy to say that he's a tyrant, but knowing how gentle he is, I can say it is false."

Morlino, says King, "stands for principle and the truth, and he won't compromise. Those who disagree are very vocal, but that won't change the way he operates."

While there are various things the local hierarchy is willing to discuss, King says, "there are many dogmas that are not open for interpretation and are not going to change. People need to decide whether they believe in them or not. If they can't, I'm sorry, the Catholic faith and church are not going to change. If you want to call yourself a Catholic you need to conform to the teachings."

Comments (26)

From Alex Wagner on 07/29/10 at 6:32 pm

This article is too simplistic in that it sets up a "battle for the soul of the Church" between the laypeople and the hierarchy.  It makes it sound like just about everyone in the Diocese of Madison is dissatisfied with Bishop Morlino.  This is not the case. 

A significant proportion of lay Catholics in Madison believe that Bishop Morlino has been a breath of fresh air and is doing a great job.  Others agree with most of the substance of what he has done, but wish he had been more careful in his rhetoric and explaining his decisions.  Still others, I'm sure, have their significant disagreements with Morlino's philosophy but also can also think of ways in which he has been good for the diocese. 

I don't mind that Esty Dinur chose to focus mostly on older "Vatican II Catholics" who are extremely dissatisfied with Bishop Morlino.  I'm not upset that she didn't give "equal time" to younger or more traditionally minded Catholics.  But I wish she would have at least acknowledged our existence, rather than making it look like the only person who can stand Bishop Morlino is his communications director Brent King. 

It's not the bishops and priests vs. the laity.  It's the bishops and priests plus a significant proportion of the laity vs. the rest of the laity.  Those who dissent but still wish to consider themselves Catholic may say that the bishops do not speak for them.  Fair enough.  But those who dissent from Church teaching do not speak for all lay people, either.

From Ted Mitchell on 07/30/10 at 12:18 am

Just one item which plainly illustrates the insignificance of these few dissenters: Following the 2008 Call to Action letter in the State Journal, with its 36 signatures, completely full of non-sense about Bishop Morlino, within three days folks had written a response, garnered over 800 singnatures and submitted it to the State Journal for the next Sunday's publication.  The link is below.  Funny how three dissenters get featured and the hundreds of folks listed below don't even get mentioned.  Who's out of touch again?http://www.supportbishopmorlino.com/img/letter.pdf 

 

From David Blaska on 07/30/10 at 12:13 pm

Beyers, Green, Fredal et al would make fine Presbyterians. The fact is that the Roman Catholic Church is hierarchical. Always has been. 

From Scott Colson on 07/30/10 at 1:13 pm

I wonder how a bishop, who has a strong authoritarian bent and a demand for obedience, could muster up 800 signatures in 3 days.

One would think the entire Diocese would have signed on by then.

From Alex Wagner on 07/30/10 at 3:15 pm

Scott, first of all, because you think Bishop Morlino is an authoritarian, that invalidates our genuine belief that he is a good bishop?  How convenient.

Second of all, if you think "politicking from the pulpit" is illegal, doesn't that mean Martin Luther King, Jr. was wrong, too?  Doesn't it mean that Jim Wallis and Al Sharpton should knock it off?  Or is it OK as long as you agree with what he is saying. 

It's illegal to endorse specific candidates from the pulpit.  It's legal, helpful, and absolutely necessary to talk about political issues, such as reducing poverty, ending war, protecting the envorinment, defending the right to life, and defending traditional marriage.  I wish Bishop Morlino would do more of the first three but it is his right to focus on the last two, especially when those are the areas where the majority of Madisonians don't already agree with him. 

From Scott Colson on 07/30/10 at 3:28 pm

Hi Alex!

There's not enough space on a forum to discuss genuine belief in the context of authority (not even necessarily authoritarian structures) -- it would probably take us to very old debates in epistemology, which will get us nowhere.

Maybe an authoritarian bishop is the only kind that can succeed with Catholic attrition (and i dont mean "imperfect contrition") rates skyrocketing. The Church has a tendency to make Episcopalians and atheists out of students of catholicism. 

We can see very similar trends with Southern Regional Republican Party (once the GOP). They purify the ranks, out the dissenters, cling to the most reactionary political beliefs and utilizes the mantra of victimization (there is a WAR ON CHRISTMAS and its only July). Its a difficult identity to maintain while trying to increase the ranks.

If the goal of the Bishop is to fill the pews on Sunday, a new approach might be needed. If the goal of the Bishop is to stick to the political strategy memos of the US Archdioceses, then consider him a success.

There's a lot of legal gray room that the IRS likes to leave alone. Official endorsements are illegal, but so are unofficial endorsements and electioneering coordination.

From David Blaska on 07/30/10 at 4:33 pm

Once again, the forces of Big Government threaten free speech -- at least, that speech with which they disagree. Thanks, Mark, for pointing out that Colson is a paid functionary of the atheists. At least he is free to speak his piece.

From Scott Colson on 07/30/10 at 4:49 pm

Blaska, this isn't the Divinci code so there is no need to be so cryptic. Is big government like a GOP/Catholic alliance?

At any rate, if the Catholic Church wants to get involved in party politics, they could always pay taxes like the rest of us!

From Alex Wagner on 07/30/10 at 9:43 pm

I deny your premise that the Catholic Church is getting involved in party politics.  They're getting involved in issue advocacy, which is totally different. 

If we follow your idea of taxing churches involved in issue advocacy, imagine the abuses that could have occurred.  Imagine the segregationists taxing Martin Luther King, Jr's church right into oblivion.  I rest my case. 

From David Blaska on 07/31/10 at 11:13 am

Colson: "if the Catholic Church wants to get involved in party politics, they could always pay taxes like the rest of us!"

But your employer, Freedom From Religion, pays no taxes and yet here you are involved in politics. Can you say "dishonest and hypocritical?" 

From Ted Mitchell on 08/01/10 at 1:35 am

Excellent Analysis of this story at this blog

From Scott Colson on 08/01/10 at 10:13 am

Blaska, as a web developer, my politics don't mean squat to FFRF. I could be a reformed mormon turned jesuit and it doesn't affect my ability to write html. Whether I am gun toting tea-party member or a wild-eyed marxist, web standards dont change a bit. If you are curious about ffrfs political or legal opinions ask them, not me.

Additionally, it doesn't officially or unofficialy endorse anything. It has to fill out 990s (something you'll never see the catholics do). It has lawsuits against Obama and democratic governors. Hardly partisan.

Got anything else?

From David Blaska on 08/01/10 at 1:04 pm

Yeah, you're anti religion. You're not working for the Republican Party of Dane County, you're not working for the Missouri synod of the Lutheran church, you're not working for the Promise Keepers. You tke your bread from the atheist basket. If you were an outspoken Jesuit or Mormon, your html would suddenly become suspect. The Gaylors do not hire religious people. ... Birds of a Feather, anyone?

From David Blaska on 08/01/10 at 1:41 pm

In addition, no one accused you of being "partisan." I said you were involved in politics. The Catholic Church, for instance, criticizes abortion enablers of all parties. Nor will you ever see on a candidate's literature, "endorsed by the Catholic church." Never! What you will hear is a priest or bishop pointing out that Nancy Pelosi is erroneous when she attempts to pronounce Catholic theology that is at odds with true Catholic theology.

From Michael Leland on 08/01/10 at 2:10 pm

I have no feelings either way about Bishop Morlino, but I am curious as to why the Isthmus chose to use Grace Episcopal Church to illustrate its cover this week,  Last I checked, Grace is not Roman Catholic and its members accept and believe a number of things that Morlino would reject outright. 

From Jason Joyce on 08/01/10 at 3:37 pm

Unfortunately, despite clear directions, a commenter on this story ("Mark Coljin") has decided to try and circumvent the rules and not register using his real name. That's unfortunate because we've had to hide his posts and, as a result, parts of the above discussion don't make much sense.

Regardless, this person is a local activist and for some reason is trying to hide that fact in commenting. We're glad to reactivate those comments once he/she goes in and clarifies his real name, as people like Scott Colson have.

From Ellen Meany on 08/01/10 at 5:01 pm

The Isthmus cover image this week, created by an artist who lives in Montreal, Quebec, was not intended to represent any specific church building. Any similarities between it and any building, anywhere, is purely coincidental.

Ellen Meany, Isthmus Creative Director.

From Michael Leland on 08/01/10 at 5:05 pm

...and quite amazing.

From Mike Schmidt on 08/02/10 at 12:01 pm

Morlino told the Wisconsin State Journal (11/4/2007), "I know for a fact there is no evidence to connect what the school teaches with any kind of atrocity". -Morlino on The School of the Americas/WHINSEC

That is a lie, and thank God he's not the Pope, or he would be right.  He does not and cannot know for a fact that there is no evidence to connect WHINSEC to atrocities, because there is evidence and it is widely available.  Either Bishop Morlino misrepresented willfully how completely he checked for evidence of war crimes before he agreed to be Chairman of the Board of Visitors, or he simply lied.  Had he even googled "School of the Americas," he would have found mountains of evidence.  So he either did not check, and lied to the laity and the people outside the church when he pretended that he did, or he did check, found evidence, and deliberately ignored it because it did not suit his worldview, then turned around and told the newspaper, and by extension, the people of Wisconsin, an insidious lie.

The Church is now fronted by a former member of the Hitlerjugend who has implicated himself in a child sex ring so large that it makes NAMBLA look like my grandmother's book club.  To represent at this point that the Church has a monopoly on rectitude as well as the moral authority required to dictate that lay individuals act contrary to their conscience in swearing oaths of fealty and abandoning what they see as social justice issues is patently absurd.

For those familiar with the reference, one could say that Bishop Morlino and Pope Benedict have logs in their eyes.

From Eric Pedersen on 08/03/10 at 7:08 pm

These rabid catholic bishops did the same thing here in Portland Maine. They ripped funding from the pebble street homeless shelter and soup kitchen because the shelters supported marriage equality and they gave the money donated to the church by parishioners to feed the poor, to big business broadcasters (in other words "the rich") so they could plaster hate propaganda ads on radio and tv channels about how homosexuals would be teaching kindergarten school children sex education if the marriage equality was allowed...

They (the catholic church) paraded in the local parks here in Portland waving the US flag and their anti gay slogans, perhaps had they held up a huge crucifix people would have known exactly who they were.

Isn’t there supposed to be separation of church and state here in this country?

From Joseph Leone on 08/06/10 at 4:09 pm

1) Why didn't the author bother to talk to anybody less than 70 years old?

2) "The fight here is between laypeople and the church's hierarchy; at stake, arguably, is the soul of the church."  Puh-lease!  Forty folks in "Call to Action" vs. 200,000+ folks hitting the pews each Sunday does not a "fight" make.

3) The beauty of Catholicism is that it's all in writing.  Messrs. Beyer and Green should really READ the documents of Vatican II.  They should READ the Catechism.  Then they should either leave Catholcism for a creed that better fits their view of Christianity, or get on board.

4) This article was the worst piece of "journalism" I've read in a very long time.  Nice hatchet job, Isthmus.

From Eric Pedersen on 08/12/10 at 12:24 pm

Joshep Leone wrote: 200,000+ folks hitting the pews each Sunday,

Comment You make it seem like a mass production meat farm… It only takes on bad apple (Bishop) to spoil the whole bunch... Jesus stood alone on the cross while 200,000+ folks hitting the pews each Sunday (Saturday) watched him die…

Joseph also wrote: The beauty of Catholicism is that it's all in writing.  Messrs. Beyer and Green should really READ the documents of Vatican II

Comment: Ahhh, yes, the beauty of Catholicism… Suddenly it is not a sin to eat fish on Friday, YAY! So all those condemned to hell during their lifetime and now diseased are absolved... The beauty of Catholicism?

Jesus commanded to “feed my lambs” he did not say feed the rich broadcasters with hatred and lies and the money given with the intentions of the givers to feed the poor!…

Once these “200,000+ folks hitting the pews each Sunday” realize their money has been shystered away by these bishops and err, Vatican II and fed like a camel through the eye of a needle to bump up the rich they will see the UGLINESS of Catholicism for what it is…

Who are the angels, saints and lambs of today? Well they are not these hardened hearted bishops, THAT is for sure... They are the 14 year old gays who commit suicide because they were molested in nearly every country of God’s green earth by priests AND, err, bishops (in denial and the closet who turned a blind eye) … They are the 14 year old gays who commit suicide because they face and bleak and uncertain future of inequality and human dignity and precious rights stolen from them by the clergy and this is “the beauty of Catholicism…”

This article was the BEST piece of "journalism" I've read in a very long time.  Nice hatchet job, Isthmus!!!


From Joseph Leone on 08/12/10 at 1:07 pm

Mr. Pedersen:

You miss the point entirely.  Apparently you are not a Catholic; at least you do not publicly identify yourself as Catholic.  Fine.  Messrs. Beyers and Green, however, do publicly identify themselves as Catholics, yet find Catholic doctrine not to their liking.  The fundamental teachings of the Catholic Church should not come as a surprise to them - the catechism was reduced to writing in 1566, and again in 1992.  The point being that the author is a lousy journalist because the piece focused on an absurdly small minority of folk who self-identify as Catholics, but do not embrace certain Catholic doctrines.  It's like an expose on a political issue where only the Republican viewpoint is presented.

The habit of fasting or abstaining from certain foods on certain days is a hallmark of a great many of the world's religions (including Christianity, Judaism, and islam).  You also have the traditional practice backward; fish was eaten on Fridays because Catholics were encouraged to abstain from eating meat.  (I grew up eating pasta and beans on Fridays.)  But even back in the day, abstaining from meat on Fridays was customary, not dogmatic.  No Catholic acting in good faith ever went to hell for having a burger on Friday.

The Church does have a problem with sexual predators in the clerical ranks.  But that point was not raised by the author, nor by me.  We're all human, even bishops and priests.  There will be bad apples.  How many other organizations do you propose to disband based on this criterion?  Congress would certainly be the first to go.  At least as many public school teachers as priests have been accused/convicted of child molestation.  Are you advocating that public schooling be dumped too?  Get a grip.  There are roughly 1 billion Catholics in the world, and each and every one of them (me included) is a sinner.

From Eric Pedersen on 08/12/10 at 4:54 pm

Mr Leone,

Your points are easy to knocked down considering the current zero credibility of the catholic church.... Just as I think the bishops are over run with a scarred past inflicted by their own hatchets.

I used to love the catholic church once, I spent many countless hours reading the catholic new advent online encyclopedia, I was a true fan of catholic reason… Your first thing is to say I am not a catholic so I can’t know anything or have any credibility… Well, the words and doctrines of the catholic church are online for all to read, besides, I am ordained clergy…

The moment your bishops decided to judge my love and choice for marriage to a same sex partner, I turned my back entirely on them completely. It is ok for a priest to marry God who is a male deity (according to their erroneous teachings)… What could be more blatantly hypocritical?

I don't practice Catholicism because it is for the most part, not even biblical... I don’t practice Christianity either because it doesn’t, for the most part, demonstrate love like Jesus did.  With their, “god hates homosexuals” slogans and “gays are going to teach sex education to kindergarten kids” right from the mouths of your bishops sir… 

Just as Jesus never once healed a homosexual of being gay... But your bishops seems to think they know more than the lord... Yes the earth is round and gays are NATURALLY born that way divinely by God as a sacred rite…

I trusted the catholic cardinals of the church to pick the right pope. I thought he would be an intellect (as the intellect I found and, once, admired in the new advent encyclopedia), and not just a white wash seriously implicated emissary (complicit one like them) to cover up the sex scandals. I actually had a profound respect for Ratzinger, that was until these last scandals.

And what of Africa? The scandals have not even hit the press yet here about what your clergy has done to children in Africa, another silent voice of protest of the Catholics continued blight on history…Yes the Catholics have ravaged Africa too and no one in teh west even knows of their crimes there yet… Your beautiful church is guilty of these sex crimes against children and gays all the way up to the top.

The bishops recent disgusting actions show there is no remorse or repentance for their own sins against gays. Your pope is neither “believably” apologetic or sympathetic but waxed feeble in his own implicated hand in the matter. Somebody has got to say it the way it is...

I personally felt no remorse from him in his denouncement of the churches crimes against humanity… Believe me the pope cannot convince a gay person with, err, ahem, insincerity. We have lived our lives persecuted as it is. And why? Because we don’t have marriage equality… You can’t fool a fool. His words were not direct and to the point they angled away from the church taking full blame, which, they should take squarely upon themselves… And I am going to sit back and let your (look the other way while children are criminally beaten and molested) bishops tell me I can’t love and marry a consenting same sex adult? This article is mild and you should thank the paper for not letting me write it.

The very definition and image of a bishop or priest etc… today is to MANY synonymous to “child molester.” I am SOOOOOooo glad I am not a catholic.

I have seen how truly devout your parishioners are to the church too!. They go in, light a candle, bow for a moment and leave a then go on with being the same miserable people they were. It is all fake… I spend more time on the john in the morning reading the paper…

Secular schools, secular medicine, secular compassion is the story of the kind Samaritan not your pious and hypocritical bishops and their fair weather charities from explioited widows. How does the catholic church repair its image? Well persecuting gay marriage is kind of like the pot calling the kettle black.

From Joseph Leone on 08/12/10 at 5:33 pm

Bravo, Mr. Pedersen!  I had no idea us practicing Catholics are all "miserable people."  I assume you must feel that way about Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, and the entire Kennedy Clan too.  (Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!)

From Eric Pedersen on 08/12/10 at 7:22 pm

Yes and there are some well respected conservatives to! Give yourselves a hand for funding these priests and the church while they were molesting hundreds of thousand of children! No real remorse or tears from your clergy and especially none from you.

You keep thinking that just because your 2000 people locally light a frigging stupid candle that it makes this evil ok? The countries of Ireland (where Ted Kennedy’s family was from) and Germany are reconsidering their involvement with the church as we speak… (WHOLE COUNTRIES!) Yet you seem devoutly fine with it? OOOOooo the beautiful catholic church! Wicked and perverse generation of vipers! Can you say the word, sociopath? SO-CI-O-PATH. Bravo to you!

I am sure Nancy Pelosi is not as proud of “father pedophile” and the beautiful catholic church as you seem to be. Maybe I do respect some liberal Catholics but I do not respect Catholicism or these hypocrite homophobe bishops either. I could tell you personal stories of bishops that would curl your toes that have never hit the evening news… Do you really want to go there. Better to let sleeping dogs lie, huh... Err, regarding the Boston diocese too? yea, Ted’s home bean town? Shall we start there?

Do you really want to tangle with me? Don’t assume I don’t know more than you think. Criminals in sheep’s clothing…

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